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<blockquote data-quote="drnuncheon" data-source="post: 378982" data-attributes="member: 96">Of course that's intimidation.&nbsp; I never said it wasn't.&nbsp; What I said was that it's too easy.Don't you think mariliths - the generals of the Abyssal armies, the second most powerful demons in the book - ought to be just a leetle bit hard to intimidate?&nbsp; Don't you think it's a little bit much that a first level character (Cha 10 &amp; 4 ranks) can do it 25% of the time?&nbsp; One time in four!&nbsp; My god, no wonder the demons can't win the Blood War, the devils just send out some low-level schmoe out to scare them off.I understand the idea of intimidate, but I think that's taking things a little too far.&nbsp; You can say &quot;maybe this&quot; and &quot;maybe that&quot; all you want, but it boils down to the fact that a first level character can make a CR 17 creature back down.&nbsp; I mean, Jeez, does he get XP for that?&nbsp; Are mariliths in your campaign quaking nervous wrecks, afraid to menace anyone because they might be a disguised demon lord?&nbsp; Is it really that far out to think that the ability to stare down a demon ought to come at a slightly higher level?Yes, thank you.&nbsp; That's kind of what I started this thread to discuss.&nbsp; I suppose in retrospect it should probably have gone in House Rules, but I wanted to see if I was missing something in the actual rules first.&nbsp; So far, it seems I'm not...J</blockquote>

[QUOTE="drnuncheon, post: 378982, member: 96"] Of course that's intimidation. I never said it wasn't. What I [i]said[/i] was that it's too easy. Don't you think mariliths - the generals of the Abyssal armies, the [i]second most powerful demons in the book[/i] - ought to be just a leetle bit hard to intimidate? Don't you think it's a little bit much that a [b]first level character[/b] (Cha 10 & 4 ranks) can do it [b]25% of the time[/b]? One time in four! My god, no wonder the demons can't win the Blood War, the devils just send out some low-level schmoe out to scare them off. I understand the idea of intimidate, but I think that's taking things a little too far. You can say "maybe this" and "maybe that" all you want, but it boils down to the fact that a first level character can make a CR 17 creature back down. I mean, Jeez, does he get XP for that? Are mariliths in your campaign quaking nervous wrecks, afraid to menace anyone because they [i]might[/i] be a disguised demon lord? Is it really that far out to think that the ability to stare down a demon ought to come at a slightly higher level? Yes, thank you. That's kind of what I started this thread to discuss. I suppose in retrospect it should probably have gone in House Rules, but I wanted to see if I was missing something in the actual rules first. So far, it seems I'm not... J [/QUOTE]

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