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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Quasqueton" data-source="post: 1919513" data-attributes="member: 3854">Many of the responses in this thread do my heart good. I am so glad that so many people are pointing out the falicy that so many other people seem to have about Charisma. I have seen so many Players dump their PC's Charisma and then play the character as a forceful personality. Played properly, a 6 Charisma brute will not be so quick or able to project himself (shouting, smashing, glaring) enough to intimidate anyone. Projecting one's self is a property of Charisma, and a 6 Charisma half-orc would be more likely to seem oafish instead of brutish.There is a dwarf monk in my campaign that has 6 Charisma, but 7 ranks in Diplomacy (total of +5 modifier). He tries to be the voice of reason and morale. We he speaks (and gets a good Diplomacy check), it is not so much like he is the shining orator, but it is more like you hear a reasonable point on the subject and it clicks in your mind, without really realizing or thinking on who spoke it.He has 0 ranks in Intimidate (-2 total mod), so when he steps into one of his martial arts stances for a fight (even turning forward the scarred side of his face), enemies don't really see him as a serious threat. But the human rogue/fighter (10 Charisma, but +9 intimidate mod) with paired kukries beside the dwarf looks downright scary---he's the one enemies are wary of. Quasqueton</blockquote>