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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 692271" data-attributes="member: 4937">KaeYoss:No, a +4 is necessary to a explain how small creatures are capable of intimidating larger ones.  If you fear something on a day to day basis, then it is easier for that thing to use intimidation against you.If the wasp succeeds in an intimidate check, yes, I agree, the human will be a afraid to get a shoe.  But my point was precisely that it was difficult for a wasp to succeed in such a check, because a wasp is not terribly 'charismatic'.  It is only an insect, albeit one with an 'armament' that makes it naturally threatening to pretty much all animals - intelligent or not - and which, as a species, it uses to intimidate other species. We could imagine intelligent (and larger) wasp being quite skilled at intimidating people, in part because humans are often afraid of insects and stinging ones especially - far above a stinging insects actual ability to do damage.  Such a wasp like species would have a bonus to thier intimidation checks generally, and against specific insectophobes in particular.We know that stinging insects can cause pain, and this interfaces with our instincts at a very primal level.And yes, I agree that Diplomacy doesn't entirely appeal to our logic.  Skilled 'diplomacy' makes us want to agree, or at the very least not want to disagree, and depending on how charismatic the other person is and on how wise we actually are, we will find ourselves agreeing on the basis of that desire to concur regardless of our previously held opinions.</blockquote>

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