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<blockquote data-quote="Olgar Shiverstone" data-source="post: 513332" data-attributes="member: 5868"><p>Direct vs. indirect is entirely semantic . Are you invisible because I can't see you, or can't I see you because you're invisible?</p><p></p><p>Either way, the ability of a creature not to be seen is an effect of the spell. This makes Invisibility one of the most powerful spells in the game for its level, as it affects an infinite number of creatures at infinite range without saving throw (how many other spells can you say that about?). Compare it to Hallucinatory Terrain (a 4th level Glamer) or Screen (an 8th level Glamer), both of which can be used to achieve the same effects as invisibility, but allow a save by the observer to overcome if interacted with. Not so Invisibility. But I digress.</p><p></p><p>Read the description of the Ethereal Jaunt spell. It also specifies what spell effects extend into the Ethereal. If the ability of a creature to be unseen is an effect of invisibility (again, direct or indirect is purely semantic here), then by that language the EFFECT does not extend into the Ethereal plane.</p><p></p><p>All, of course, IMO. I don't think its spelled out clearly enough for a firm, unbiased rules-based decision either way.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Olgar Shiverstone, post: 513332, member: 5868"] Direct vs. indirect is entirely semantic . Are you invisible because I can't see you, or can't I see you because you're invisible? Either way, the ability of a creature not to be seen is an effect of the spell. This makes Invisibility one of the most powerful spells in the game for its level, as it affects an infinite number of creatures at infinite range without saving throw (how many other spells can you say that about?). Compare it to Hallucinatory Terrain (a 4th level Glamer) or Screen (an 8th level Glamer), both of which can be used to achieve the same effects as invisibility, but allow a save by the observer to overcome if interacted with. Not so Invisibility. But I digress. Read the description of the Ethereal Jaunt spell. It also specifies what spell effects extend into the Ethereal. If the ability of a creature to be unseen is an effect of invisibility (again, direct or indirect is purely semantic here), then by that language the EFFECT does not extend into the Ethereal plane. All, of course, IMO. I don't think its spelled out clearly enough for a firm, unbiased rules-based decision either way. [/QUOTE]
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