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Message: <blockquote data-quote="discosoc" data-source="post: 6742984" data-attributes="member: 6801554">Use passive perception against whatever DC you think makes sense (possibly passive steath, or just pick a DC).  In combat, I usually chose DC 20 (hard) or 25 (very hard) when it comes to invisibility, depending on how crazy the battle is.  A fight in the middle of a crowded street or near a waterfall or something will be very hard, but a fight in a quite dungeon room might just be hard.  This gives a few options for characters:1.  The "Observant" feat adds +5 bonus to passive perception.2.  If they have an ability to detect by something other than sight, they might get another +5 bonus due to how passive scores handle advantage.  A good example of this would be a druid who shifts into a wolf form, granting keen senses for hearing and smell.3.  And of course just being proficient in perception will boost your passive score.So at the extreme end (no magic items though), you could have a druid with the observant feat shifted into wolf form running around with something like 28 passive perception who has no trouble detecting the invisible wizard through smell and sound.  No action required for searching, and the wizard probably can't even hide when actually taking an action to "hide."Of course, characters who don't have things stacked like that, can still work as a team to find the target.  For example, one takes his/her action to "search" for the wizard, thus getting to roll perception rather than relying on passive.  If found, they can call out the location for free, so that other characters can now make an attack against the invisible target for that round.  If a character doesn't have a good perception, they can ready their attack for when someone else calls out a location (similar to the old blind ranger Drizzt meets in Sojourn who uses his owl for eyes).  Of course, people still get disadvantage to those attacks, but it makes such an encounter pretty fun and full of teamwork.</blockquote>

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