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<blockquote data-quote="empireofchaos" data-source="post: 6759588" data-attributes="member: 6800918"><p>Here is a situation that came up in a game over the weekend: An adventuring party is in a cave complex. One of the PCs is a human sorcerer, and he is the only one in the party who does not have Darkvision, and relies on his torch to be able to see. The party is trying to sneak by some giant spiders, and with his sorcery points and metamagic, he can turn everyone in the party invisible (except the Moon Circle Druid, who can get by with his Wild Shape - as a giant spider). Problem is, if he makes himself invisible, will the torchlight still allow the beasties to see his light? I know that worn, held and carried items turn invisible with you, but the torch is different, because not only is the character not holding the flame, but if the flame were to turn invisible, logic dictates that the character would not be able to see it either, and thus, would remain effectively blind.&nbsp; I ruled that the spell would not make the flame invisible, so the party went with a different plan. It seems that this situation would not be uncommon, given the likelihood of human spellcasters sneaking around dungeons. What call would you make?</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="empireofchaos, post: 6759588, member: 6800918"] Here is a situation that came up in a game over the weekend: An adventuring party is in a cave complex. One of the PCs is a human sorcerer, and he is the only one in the party who does not have Darkvision, and relies on his torch to be able to see. The party is trying to sneak by some giant spiders, and with his sorcery points and metamagic, he can turn everyone in the party invisible (except the Moon Circle Druid, who can get by with his Wild Shape - as a giant spider). Problem is, if he makes himself invisible, will the torchlight still allow the beasties to see his light? I know that worn, held and carried items turn invisible with you, but the torch is different, because not only is the character not holding the flame, but if the flame were to turn invisible, logic dictates that the character would not be able to see it either, and thus, would remain effectively blind. I ruled that the spell would not make the flame invisible, so the party went with a different plan. It seems that this situation would not be uncommon, given the likelihood of human spellcasters sneaking around dungeons. What call would you make? [/QUOTE]

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