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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 4622933" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>Given that an invisible creature does not provoke OAs, he is not open if he is moving; 'open' doesn't distinguish between movement and shifting for an invisible creature.</p><p></p><p>The fighter knows where the enemy is; he does not know what the enemy is doing.</p><p></p><p>If the immediate action can trigger whether or not the fighter is aware that the triggering condition has occurred, then the fighter should get his Combat Challenge attack even if the enemy <em>is</em> using Stealth... because whether the enemy is using Stealth or not, two things are true:</p><p>1. An adjacent enemy is shifting.</p><p>2. The fighter does not know that an adjacent enemy is shifting.</p><p></p><p>If 1. is all that is important for Combat Challenge to trigger, then it will trigger whether or not the enemy is using Stealth.</p><p></p><p>If 2. is also important, however, then Combat Challenge will <em>not</em> trigger whether or not the enemy is using Stealth, because knowledge of the enemy's location is insufficient for the fighter to be aware that the triggering condition has been met.</p><p></p><p>-Hyp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 4622933, member: 1656"] Given that an invisible creature does not provoke OAs, he is not open if he is moving; 'open' doesn't distinguish between movement and shifting for an invisible creature. The fighter knows where the enemy is; he does not know what the enemy is doing. If the immediate action can trigger whether or not the fighter is aware that the triggering condition has occurred, then the fighter should get his Combat Challenge attack even if the enemy [i]is[/i] using Stealth... because whether the enemy is using Stealth or not, two things are true: 1. An adjacent enemy is shifting. 2. The fighter does not know that an adjacent enemy is shifting. If 1. is all that is important for Combat Challenge to trigger, then it will trigger whether or not the enemy is using Stealth. If 2. is also important, however, then Combat Challenge will [i]not[/i] trigger whether or not the enemy is using Stealth, because knowledge of the enemy's location is insufficient for the fighter to be aware that the triggering condition has been met. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]
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