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<blockquote data-quote="Swarmkeeper" data-source="post: 8590401" data-attributes="member: 6921763">Of course, DM discretion needs to be taken into account and methinks your atomic whole is more molecular, IMO.&nbsp; Just because an enemy draws their bow does not mean they are going to fire.&nbsp; I mean, they probably are, but that gesture could be part of a creative intimidation attempt rather than an attack.&nbsp; I personally see no problem with &quot;drawing the bow&quot; being a trigger.&nbsp; The hair is not too fine in this instance for my DM ruling.&nbsp; What if the archer has multi-attack or Extra Attack?&nbsp; Would you be okay with the trigger being in-between the attacks?&nbsp; Or, because the multiple attacks are all part of an Attack Action, the full attack must be resolved in order to activate the trigger?Let's look at another combat scenario:&nbsp; Would you rule that the goblin must complete its full movement forward before the rogue can throw a dagger at it when the Ready was stated as: &quot;If the goblin steps toward us, I will throw my dagger at it&quot;?&nbsp; Is the hair too fine here or must we wait for the goblin to use its full 30' of movement?Of course, DM discretion needs to be taken into account and you are within your right to determine the size of the atoms at your table.As for the OP, the trigger would necessarily have to be the casting of the spell and not the spell effect.&nbsp; YES, this works:&nbsp; &quot;If Kaloruk sees the mage start casting a spell, he'll unleash Magic Missile on him.&quot;&nbsp; NO, the mage is already invisible and spell slot is wasted:&nbsp; &quot;If Kaloruk sees the mage going invisible, he'll unleash Magic Missile on him.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Swarmkeeper, post: 8590401, member: 6921763"] Of course, DM discretion needs to be taken into account and methinks your atomic whole is more molecular, IMO. Just because an enemy draws their bow does not mean they are going to fire. I mean, they probably are, but that gesture could be part of a creative intimidation attempt rather than an attack. I personally see no problem with "drawing the bow" being a trigger. The hair is not too fine in this instance for my DM ruling. What if the archer has multi-attack or Extra Attack? Would you be okay with the trigger being in-between the attacks? Or, because the multiple attacks are all part of an Attack Action, the full attack must be resolved in order to activate the trigger? Let's look at another combat scenario: Would you rule that the goblin must complete its full movement forward before the rogue can throw a dagger at it when the Ready was stated as: "If the goblin steps toward us, I will throw my dagger at it"? Is the hair too fine here or must we wait for the goblin to use its full 30' of movement? Of course, DM discretion needs to be taken into account and you are within your right to determine the size of the atoms at your table. As for the OP, the trigger would necessarily have to be the casting of the spell and not the spell effect. YES, this works: "If Kaloruk sees the mage start casting a spell, he'll unleash Magic Missile on him." NO, the mage is already invisible and spell slot is wasted: "If Kaloruk sees the mage going invisible, he'll unleash Magic Missile on him." [/QUOTE]

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