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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nahat Anoj" data-source="post: 5338374" data-attributes="member: 25075">Correct.  As long as it has total concealment (in this case, invisibility) it can try to become hidden later.Just as a side note, Skill Challenges are another thing, different from merely rolling checks of, say, Perception vs Stealth.  Skill Challenges are used to represent tense negotiations, overland journeys, or other situations were each skill roll can contribute to an overall outcome.I'm going to assume your usage of "Skill Challenge" just means one character's Perception versus another's Stealth. The attacker can use a minor action to roll Perception and try to find the hidden monster.  The DC of this Perception check is equal to the hidden creature's Stealth roll. If the attacker's Perception roll beats the hidden monster's Stealth check result, then the attacker knows where the hidden monster is.  He doesn't have to guess which square the monster is in.  However, because the monster is still invisible, the attacker as a -5 penalty to hit it.If the attacker's Perception doesn't beat the monster's Stealth, then attacker has to guess where the monster is.  If the attacker is using a melee or ranged attack, he picks a square and rolls.  If the attacker chose the wrong square, nothing happens and the attack is wasted (personally, I have the attack be expended but wouldn't bother with a roll).  If the attacker gets lucky and chooses the correct square, he makes an attack roll at a -5 penalty.I guess it's up to a DM to decide what would happen if the attacker correctly chose a square and missed on the attack.  Obviously, if you hit a hidden monster you know where it is, but some DMs might say because the attacker missed the hidden monster is still hidden.  I'd say that the monster is no longer hidden, because a missed attack doesn't always mean a "whiff" - perhaps the invisible monster parried the blow, for example.  Even if the monster dodged the blow, I'd say the quick movement of a dodge would kick up dust, make a sound, or do something else to reveal the monster's location.If the attacker is actively looking for a hidden monster and fails, I'd say the attacker would know he failed - after all, he can't find the monster!  Again, it's up to the DM, and it depends on what you think a missed attack roll means and whether or not it's enough to reveal a hidden monster's location.  You might try having the PC roll and giving you the result, then secretly subtracting 5.  If it's a miss, and you want to keep the monster's location secret, you could say that nothing happened.</blockquote>

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