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Message: <blockquote data-quote="StMalice" data-source="post: 1479388" data-attributes="member: 17388">I've been asked to play a game with some new comers to D&D.  They've played a few games already, but nothing past 10th level.  The DM and I decided to start a 15th level game to give them an idea to how powerful you can become.  One of the topics that came up was rings of invisibility.  However, (this is a 3.0ed game) the rules state that making a spot check DC20 within so many feet of the invisible creature you will see them, or have at least a good enough idea where they are that you can make an attack.  This is pretty bogus in my opinion.   <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious    :]" data-shortname=":]" /> Compare this then to my character, Rouge7/Slayer of Domiel 8, hide of 27.  That being the case if I'm next to a character who turns invisible and I'm hiding said creature trying to make a spot check makes one and rolls a modified 20.  So he knows something invisible is there only not sure what, however, it's completely oblivious to me.  Does this strike anyone as, I dunno, odd?  Invisible is just that invisible, surely you'd be more well hidden or out of sight then someone just hiding.  Has anyone addressed this in their games?  House rules?</blockquote>