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Invisible Blade/Black Flame Zealot?
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<blockquote data-quote="Malin Genie" data-source="post: 1614995" data-attributes="member: 1058"><p>One major problem you will face is that with Rogue, Monk, Cleric, Zealot and Blade levels your BAB will lag horribly. Yes, the high Wisdom you'll want anyway (for the Monk AC and Stunning Fist bonuses) would help make an effective caster, but you need at least three Cleric levels to meet the BFZ prereq, and it's then another three levels before you gain any SA!</p><p></p><p>In addition, the combination of all of the above will be hard to make work.</p><p></p><p>You need: PBS, FS, WP(Kukri), WF(Kukri), Iron Will (5 Feats, which you won't get until 9th level without bonus Feats)</p><p></p><p>You also want Weapon Finesse (because you have to dump ST.)</p><p></p><p>One possible progression, though, if you're determined:</p><p></p><p>Human</p><p>Rogue1 / Cleric 3 / Monk 1</p><p></p><p>You may need to take Rogue last because of the hefty skill rank requirements, but with Human skill bonuses and good Intelligence you might be able to do it with Monk last.</p><p></p><p>Feats: Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Kukri), Iron Will, Point Blank Shot (you can't get both EWP and Focus or Finesse because of the +1 BAB requirement for both of these.)</p><p></p><p>10 levels of Black Flame Zealot (during which you pick up 4 Feats - Far Shot, Weapon Focus (Kukri), Weapon Finesse (Kukri), and one other.)</p><p></p><p>You can then take your last 5 levels as Invisible Blade.</p><p></p><p>At 20th level you will cast as a 7th level cleric, have a +8d6 dagger Sneak Attack and a free Bluff action, a death attack DC 20 + Int bonus and the flaming weapon abilities of a BFZ.</p><p></p><p>Disadvantages: Your BAB will only be +14 and you won't have off-hand attacks. The Feat and Caster requirements for being a Black Flame Zealot stop you taking the Fighter and/or Ranger levels you really need to build an effective two-weapon fighter. </p><p></p><p>Overall, I think this attempted build attempts to combine too much (in a rules sense, although certainly from a story point of view it could be an interesting mix.)</p><p></p><p>The Invisible Blade synergises well with Monk (for the AC bonus), Rogue (SA), Fighter (bonus much-needed Feats) and Ranger (bonus much-needed Feats and stealth skill synergy). However, cleric levels in an IB build are a complete waste, and given 3 Cleric and 10 BFZ levels only gives +3d6 Sneak, whereas 13 more Rogue levels (for example) would give +6d6 Sneak and 3 Rogue special abilities, or, say, 9 more rogue levels give +4d6 Sneak and 1 RSA with 4 Fighter levels giving Weapon Specialisation, two more Feats (say TWF and Improved TWF) and a better BAB and hp...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Malin Genie, post: 1614995, member: 1058"] One major problem you will face is that with Rogue, Monk, Cleric, Zealot and Blade levels your BAB will lag horribly. Yes, the high Wisdom you'll want anyway (for the Monk AC and Stunning Fist bonuses) would help make an effective caster, but you need at least three Cleric levels to meet the BFZ prereq, and it's then another three levels before you gain any SA! In addition, the combination of all of the above will be hard to make work. You need: PBS, FS, WP(Kukri), WF(Kukri), Iron Will (5 Feats, which you won't get until 9th level without bonus Feats) You also want Weapon Finesse (because you have to dump ST.) One possible progression, though, if you're determined: Human Rogue1 / Cleric 3 / Monk 1 You may need to take Rogue last because of the hefty skill rank requirements, but with Human skill bonuses and good Intelligence you might be able to do it with Monk last. Feats: Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Kukri), Iron Will, Point Blank Shot (you can't get both EWP and Focus or Finesse because of the +1 BAB requirement for both of these.) 10 levels of Black Flame Zealot (during which you pick up 4 Feats - Far Shot, Weapon Focus (Kukri), Weapon Finesse (Kukri), and one other.) You can then take your last 5 levels as Invisible Blade. At 20th level you will cast as a 7th level cleric, have a +8d6 dagger Sneak Attack and a free Bluff action, a death attack DC 20 + Int bonus and the flaming weapon abilities of a BFZ. Disadvantages: Your BAB will only be +14 and you won't have off-hand attacks. The Feat and Caster requirements for being a Black Flame Zealot stop you taking the Fighter and/or Ranger levels you really need to build an effective two-weapon fighter. Overall, I think this attempted build attempts to combine too much (in a rules sense, although certainly from a story point of view it could be an interesting mix.) The Invisible Blade synergises well with Monk (for the AC bonus), Rogue (SA), Fighter (bonus much-needed Feats) and Ranger (bonus much-needed Feats and stealth skill synergy). However, cleric levels in an IB build are a complete waste, and given 3 Cleric and 10 BFZ levels only gives +3d6 Sneak, whereas 13 more Rogue levels (for example) would give +6d6 Sneak and 3 Rogue special abilities, or, say, 9 more rogue levels give +4d6 Sneak and 1 RSA with 4 Fighter levels giving Weapon Specialisation, two more Feats (say TWF and Improved TWF) and a better BAB and hp... [/QUOTE]
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