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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nareau" data-source="post: 793460" data-attributes="member: 969">The problem with giving a straight +20 to hide checks is that your average heavy armor type is going to have a -8 armor check penalty (from full-plate and large shield).  Any rogue worth his salt is gonna be able to pinpoint this guy much more easily than he should.  Especially once you hit mid to high levels.  Even at 5th level, your average rogue is going to have a +11 spot check.  That gives him almost even odds to be able to pinpoint the square of his adversary by sight...certainly not what I'd call invisibility.So maybe it'd give them a +20 to hide checks, and it negates the any negative dex modifiers and armor penalties.  Seeing as how the armor is going to be invisible, I don't see how wearing plate-mail is going to make you less invisible.Of course, you're not silent.  So a good listener can still detect you by your clanking around.I personally envision the Invisibility spell as LoTR invisibility, not Predator invisibility; ie, not something an attentive person can just "see through".</blockquote>