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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FitzTheRuke" data-source="post: 8705469" data-attributes="member: 59816">Look, let's focus on just one example, so we don't get bogged down in picking one of a list (like the whispering example) to ruin the bunch:Say you're invisible. And you've taken your action (or cunning action) to hide. You're standing in front of a goblin with a shortbow, who's decided to shoot at your wizard buddy who's 20 feet away.With me?You lift up your arm, which the goblin can't see, and gently push the top of his bow slightly to the left. Now, you're doing this gently enough that it's not an "attack" - you're not trying to damage his bow. You're not shoving it so hard that he has NO CHANCE of hitting your friend, he's just gonna have trouble adjusting his shot. You're not moving enough to give away your position. He can't tell you're there, so he's not going to fight you on this (aside from trying to correct his shot). It might be the wind that's tipping his bow. You're using about as much effort as you would to pick something up off a shelf (a free object interaction). You're not attacking, casting a spell or making noise (things that ruin invisibility and hiding, respectively).You could do this slowly, like my description sounds, or you could do it desperately, in a brief moment as he fires. Like, say (for a slightly different example, under the same circumstance), you have a shortsword in hand, and you hold your sword up as his arrow leaves the bow. If he misses your wizard buddy, then that means the arrow deflected off your sword, if he hits your buddy, then it means you missed blocking it and it passed you buy.(Before I'm told "that would reveal you" - why would it? The goblin would just see his arrow suddenly (and maybe only very slightly) go off-course. (As, say, it's fletching is cut off, or simply brushes by your sword).Given time, I could keep going and come up with dozens of scenarios, I expect, as to how "invisible guy (being there) makes shot harder but not impossible" - which is all "grants disadvantage" actually means.In D&D, there's potentially infinite reasons as to why disadvantage is granted, depending on the scenario. This scenario (IMO) is far from "nonsensical" (as some have suggested) it just drops "infinite" down to "dozens" of potential reasons.</blockquote>

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