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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Baron Opal II" data-source="post: 8713523" data-attributes="member: 6794067">That was a combination of thinking out loud and stating first principles for a coherent argument.I consider it more than simple object interaction because the character is actively interfering with an opponent. I don't consider it in the same vein as sneaking into an occupied room, picking up an object and have it fade, and then sneaking out of the room. I've had to make some specific rulings in the past of what constitutes "an attack".Attack - Chance to harmGrapple - Chance to restrainInterference - Chance to distract, hurling a bucket of water, "pushing on a bow"Shenanigans - Chance to distract, lesser, breathing on an ear, strange sounds behindIncidental - Intense glowering Anything "Interference" and higher would cause a loss of invisibility.That said... Hmm...In the past, I've had to declare that "interference" or more was an "attack" to prevent what I considered unreasonable use of invisibility. There is an ill defined diagetic cause for the disruption of invisibility. Let's see... Grapple and Shoving A Creature are explicitly considered "attacks" in 5e. I have let a high level thief who was invisible unbuckle the sword belt of an unaware guard and keep their invisibility; using their extreme skill to perform an action upon another without collapsing the spell.I just don't see the "gentle pushing of the bow" to be worth the full penalty, especially not when the base assumption is that the archer is trying to avoid getting killed by a nearby opponent and has a harder shot thereby. I also assume that the archer isn't wholly motionless. However, I could be persuaded that an invisible character who was standing next to an archer, and wished to actively interfere but not threaten an "attack", thus keeping their invisibility, could do some shenanigans and inflict a -2 penalty on the shot. The archer would know something was up, and the character would risk an attack from then at disadvantage from the invisibility. Passively standing there would be insufficient for any form of penalty.</blockquote>

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