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<blockquote data-quote="Syrsuro" data-source="post: 4645484" data-attributes="member: 58162">Technically, the visibility of the 'cover' is not relevant to whether or not something grants cover. Visibility is a part of concealment. Cover is a physical blockage - even if that blockage is invisible. &nbsp;So the fact that (p) is invisible does not relate to whether or not it grants cover any more than it does in the hypothetical case of an invisible wall.&nbsp;As such, an invisible opponent does grant cover. If it came up in my game, I would apply the effects of the cover behind the screen and if the attack missed because of that cover I would inform them that there appeared to be some unseen object in the square that blocked the shot (but unless you allow for attacks to hit covering creatures normally I wouldn't allow the unseen creature to be hit in this case either).&nbsp;That said - my concern is with bull rushing an insubstantial creature. Normal attacks do half damage, but bull rush isn't reduced in effectiveness. Should it be, somehow, reduced? By RAW, it is not. And yet ...&nbsp;At the very least, I think I'll treat them as one size category larger.&nbsp;Carl</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Syrsuro, post: 4645484, member: 58162"] Technically, the visibility of the 'cover' is not relevant to whether or not something grants cover. Visibility is a part of concealment. Cover is a physical blockage - even if that blockage is invisible. So the fact that (p) is invisible does not relate to whether or not it grants cover any more than it does in the hypothetical case of an invisible wall. As such, an invisible opponent does grant cover. If it came up in my game, I would apply the effects of the cover behind the screen and if the attack missed [I]because of that cover[/I] I would inform them that there appeared to be some unseen object in the square that blocked the shot (but unless you allow for attacks to hit covering creatures normally I wouldn't allow the unseen creature to be hit in this case either). That said - my concern is with bull rushing an insubstantial creature. Normal attacks do half damage, but bull rush isn't reduced in effectiveness. Should it be, somehow, reduced? By RAW, it is not. And yet ... At the very least, I think I'll treat them as one size category larger. Carl [/QUOTE]

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