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Message: <blockquote data-quote="niteshade6" data-source="post: 1135660" data-attributes="member: 10320">The problem with allowing a target who is aware of an invisible person to be flanked is that it means he is penalized for being aware. Not noticing the invisible person sneaking up on you should never be an advantage.The problem with the sages ruling is that it builds in a disadvantage to being invisible that is not there while you are visible. It could also potentialy penalize you for seeing invisible. It leads to odd cases where closing your eyes or casting invisibility on your enemy works to your benefit. And it means that even when the invisible person is in the middle of combat with you, pounding on you, he still somehow can't flank you.Really the only time the old pre-sage advice ruling caused any lapse of logic was when somebody invisible had not yet entered combat or attacked and nobody knew he was there, but yet he still provided flanking bonuses. This particular situation is quite rare and easier to just house rule.If I were going to come up with a clear rule, I'd say that any time somebody is providing flanking bonuses against you on an attack, you know that there is somebody in that space, and that an invisible flanker may choose weither or not he wishes to provide a flanking bonus and reveal himself or not.</blockquote>