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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 1138675" data-attributes="member: 2011">How?A B XSurprise rounds result in partial action and flatfooted. If the combat is already started, stating that the B is flatfooted to or surprised by X means nothing. B already lost his Dex bonus to X due to the invisibility. He loses nothing else for being surprised.If you use the house rule of both characters flank with awareness being ignored, here is the problem:A B XB is fighting A. B does not know about X. A gets a flank bonus and does 30 points of sneak attack damage to B.The player of B says: "What the heck just happened?"The GM says: "He sneak attacked you."B: "How?"GM: "I cannot tell you." (telling him of the invisible opponent could be done, but it is metagaming knowledge that will affect his play if done)I could see a player quitting a campaign over this kind of stuff.However, if you make B's awareness of X a requirement for A to get flank, then at least the player of B is not (as) bothered by this.The issue then becomes, if X surprises B, why does he fight with the exact same bonuses as he does after B knows about him?There is no "bonus to hit" due to suprise.So, maybe two simple house rules of:1) X is at +2 to hit B for surprise on every round until B notices X.2) A gets flank once B is aware of X (ignoring an opponent is not allowed).</blockquote>