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<blockquote data-quote="Nytmare" data-source="post: 5088077" data-attributes="member: 55178">Most of it is (hopefully) relying on the fact that the DM isn't looking at the game as an outright competition that he's actively trying to win.&nbsp; Beyond that, invisibility isn't the earth shattering, mechanic-less ability it used to be.&nbsp; First and foremost, while you're invisible, that doesn't flat out mean that you can't be found.&nbsp; Until you make a stealth roll, you're invisible, have total concealment (-5 to hit), and people know what square you're in.Once you make a stealth roll, you can hide from people, but depending on what actions you take, or how far you move, people might still be able to figure out what square you're in.&nbsp; Moving more than 2 squares means that you have a -2 to your stealth check.&nbsp; If you run you have a -10.Beyond that, you start to tread in possible jerk waters.&nbsp; There are people in the world who, even though a character can't find the invisible guy, they will insist that they're going to randomly attack the square where the player can clearly see the figure.&nbsp; They might argue that it makes perfect sense to fireball the otherwise empty corner of the room, or to strategically block the one in twenty paths that they saw you move the miniature towards.&nbsp; In the end things like this need to fall to DM fiat.&nbsp; Unfortunately if the jerk in question is the DM your best bet is to find a different DM.At my table, when something turns invisible, you throw a clear glass bead on it.&nbsp; If it's a player, even if they sneak off, they stay on the board with the bead on them to remind me that monsters will need to work harder to try to find them.&nbsp; If it's a monster, I leave the chit with the glass bead in the last spot where any player was certain of it's location.I can't speak for every DM in the world, but for me, it's not a question as to whether or not I can be unbiased.&nbsp; For me, the bias is stacked unflinchingly towards doing what (I hope) my players will be most entertained by.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nytmare, post: 5088077, member: 55178"] Most of it is (hopefully) relying on the fact that the DM isn't looking at the game as an outright competition that he's actively trying to win. Beyond that, invisibility isn't the earth shattering, mechanic-less ability it used to be. First and foremost, while you're invisible, that doesn't flat out mean that you can't be found. Until you make a stealth roll, you're invisible, have total concealment (-5 to hit), and people know what square you're in. Once you make a stealth roll, you can hide from people, but depending on what actions you take, or how far you move, people might still be able to figure out what square you're in. Moving more than 2 squares means that you have a -2 to your stealth check. If you run you have a -10. Beyond that, you start to tread in possible jerk waters. There are people in the world who, even though a character can't find the invisible guy, they will insist that they're going to randomly attack the square where the player can clearly see the figure. They might argue that it makes perfect sense to fireball the otherwise empty corner of the room, or to strategically block the one in twenty paths that they saw you move the miniature towards. In the end things like this need to fall to DM fiat. Unfortunately if the jerk in question [i]is[/i] the DM your best bet is to find a different DM. At my table, when something turns invisible, you throw a clear glass bead on it. If it's a player, even if they sneak off, they stay on the board with the bead on them to remind me that monsters will need to work harder to try to find them. If it's a monster, I leave the chit with the glass bead in the last spot where any player was certain of it's location. I can't speak for every DM in the world, but for me, it's not a question as to whether or not I can be unbiased. For me, the bias is stacked unflinchingly towards doing what (I hope) my players will be most entertained by. [/QUOTE]

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