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<blockquote data-quote="Eldritch" data-source="post: 453405" data-attributes="member: 2742">True, I mentioned that on the round following the supprise round the full round action could be taken and if the rogue had the higher initiative then it Dex bonus to AC would still be denied, hence Sneak Attack damage applied to both (or all) attacks.&nbsp;Hmm, maybe.&nbsp; But lets look.&nbsp; If the rogue attacks while invisible before the other party is aware - that is a suprise situation.&nbsp; Thus the suprise round rule would be in effect.&nbsp; If no suprise existed. IE both parties saw each other and the rogue activated a ring of invisibility or cast from a scroll or whatever and then attacked while invisible, I am not sure that the dex bonus would be denied at all.&nbsp; Unless there was some other means of distracting the victims.&nbsp; Meaning no sneak attack at all.&nbsp; In a larger combat situation I could see what you are saying, though.&nbsp; If the rogue was invisible while combat started and then uses the full attack option on Rd 2 or 3 of an ongoing combat situation, then that would be very similar to the situation the round after a suprise round, unless someone had spoted her, she would catch whomever she attacked flat footed until their next initiative.&nbsp; Thus no Dex bonus to AC and sneak attack damage is granted.I think I assumed the suprise action because of the way it was described in the original post.&nbsp; However you were correct, it could simply be attacking while hidden during a larger combat.In which case I stick by my earlier interpretation that you become visible after the first attack (shot) and that this does not matter as far as granting sneak attack bonus damage because the attackees (is this a word?) are still unable to respond until their next initiative.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Eldritch, post: 453405, member: 2742"] True, I mentioned that on the round following the supprise round the full round action could be taken and if the rogue had the higher initiative then it Dex bonus to AC would still be denied, hence Sneak Attack damage applied to both (or all) attacks. Hmm, maybe. But lets look. If the rogue attacks while invisible before the other party is aware - that is a suprise situation. Thus the suprise round rule would be in effect. If no suprise existed. IE both parties saw each other and the rogue activated a [i]ring of invisibility[i] or cast from a scroll or whatever and then attacked while invisible, I am not sure that the dex bonus would be denied at all. Unless there was some other means of distracting the victims. Meaning no sneak attack at all. In a larger combat situation I could see what you are saying, though. If the rogue was invisible while combat started and then uses the full attack option on Rd 2 or 3 of an ongoing combat situation, then that would be very similar to the situation the round after a suprise round, unless someone had spoted her, she would catch whomever she attacked flat footed until their next initiative. Thus no Dex bonus to AC and sneak attack damage is granted. I think I assumed the suprise action because of the way it was described in the original post. However you were correct, it could simply be attacking while hidden during a larger combat. In which case I stick by my earlier interpretation that you become visible after the first attack (shot) and that this does not matter as far as granting sneak attack bonus damage because the attackees (is this a word?) are still unable to respond until their next initiative.[/i][/i] [/QUOTE]

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