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<blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 7055722" data-attributes="member: 6787503"><p>No, and I'm pretty sure I've been clear that that isn't the situation I'm talking about. The guard doesn't <em>think</em> he hears an invisible creature moving about. He <em>knows</em> a creature that he can't see is present in a particular location. If I knew a person was standing 10 feet to my left in an area where no obstruction to my vision was present, but I couldn't see them, I would have no choice but either to believe that person was somehow invisible or that I was experiencing an auditory hallucination of some sort. PCs and monsters could choose not to trust their own senses as well, but I generally assume they do.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If that's what you think I'm saying, I can't help you. I'm really not sure where you're getting the idea that my argument has anything to do with someone thinking it's the tree stump making a noise. If the guard did think it was the tree stump that made the noise, and that consequently it was likely that a person was behind or even inside the tree stump, warranting further investigation of said stump, that would be the result of a failed Stealth check on the part of the cloak-wearer, rather than a success.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hriston, post: 7055722, member: 6787503"] No, and I'm pretty sure I've been clear that that isn't the situation I'm talking about. The guard doesn't [I]think[/I] he hears an invisible creature moving about. He [I]knows[/I] a creature that he can't see is present in a particular location. If I knew a person was standing 10 feet to my left in an area where no obstruction to my vision was present, but I couldn't see them, I would have no choice but either to believe that person was somehow invisible or that I was experiencing an auditory hallucination of some sort. PCs and monsters could choose not to trust their own senses as well, but I generally assume they do. If that's what you think I'm saying, I can't help you. I'm really not sure where you're getting the idea that my argument has anything to do with someone thinking it's the tree stump making a noise. If the guard did think it was the tree stump that made the noise, and that consequently it was likely that a person was behind or even inside the tree stump, warranting further investigation of said stump, that would be the result of a failed Stealth check on the part of the cloak-wearer, rather than a success. [/QUOTE]
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