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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hardhead" data-source="post: 1282936" data-attributes="member: 2844">I agree.Very few spells give no save.  As for buffing spells, I would argue that they aren't relevant to the power balance.  They are not spells that end up being useful in combat, and so aren't relevant when you're talking about power levels in combat.  Weapon Focus doesn't apply on coup de graces, for instance, for the same reason SF doesn't apply to buffs.  They're actions generally used outside of combat that don't require an attack roll/a save.  But that doesn't make weapon focus any less powerful in combat.And a fighter will end up having to grapple or make an opposed trip check or use a weapon he's not focused in eventually, as well.OTOH, once you're high enough level, the first two are usually gimmes.  The WF is wasted on those.  Realistically, WF only makes a difference on about half of a 15+ level fighter's attacks.It depends on your assumptions about the wizard, really.  If he's casting from a lot of different school, then yeah.  But if he's casting from just one, a 10% increase in keeping them from saving was huge.You say that like it's rare.  IMO, it's one of the best basic feats in the game (basic, as in not the end of a feat chain).  I can't search the threads.  Haven't donated yet.But without seeing them, I'll agree with their results given the assumption is a wizard that casts from a lot of different schools.For a heavily specialized wizard, who casts 90% of his combat spells from one school, SF is still good.  Is it a great feat?  No.  But it's a good one.  I agree, here.</blockquote>

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