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Message: <blockquote data-quote="William Ronald" data-source="post: 161313" data-attributes="member: 426">Hazen replies."Governments, built by mortals, are flawed.  They are far from perfect.  In deed, a historian of the United States once stated that the key problem of the history of his nation was what was meant by the words ' all men are created equal.'""Even the descendants of those slaves still fought for their nation in its great wars.  They rose in time to full equality, led by the visions of heroes.  Among them were mean whose eloquence far outweighs that of any now amongst us.  Indeed, the descendants of slaves and sharecroppers became captains of industry, generals, and even presidents.""Considering that the God Emperor hosted the Olympics of Torture, banned all religions except his own -- including the execution of clergy, and until very recently granted little civil rights in their own land, he should be wary of casting aspersions on other governments.  Especially in a world where the benefits of magic  do not exist, and a detect lie spell would be a boon beyond imagination.""So, is the reason you are supporting independence of the Humanoid State is to gain another ally?  In what ways have you supported this position?  I believe the citizens of the Humanoid State can chose their own destiny?  However, you seem eager to see the United Commonwealth of Toril torn asunder?  Have you invited leaders of the Humanoid State to join or ally with the Union of Oerth?""Also, have you restored those creatures created with the help of Red Steel back to their former states.  I have -- out of respect for the people of the Union and out of concern for Oerth -- freely given your government this knowledge.""For my part, I have endeavoured to treat the peoples of the Union with respect."OOC:  The Union may not have 5 trillion gold pieces to spend.  Also, there is no bank network -- to my knowledge -- between Oerth and Toril. Goblin, hobgoblin -- considering that Hazen has been to a place worse than Hell, and delivered a bunch of speeches - a little linguistic error is allowable.No offense taken, Serpenteye. I  brought Earth history into the IR because -even with the details of the Greyhawk and FR settings -- a common chain of reference might help.  (Besides, I think the God Emperor could probably read the Encyclopaedia Brittanica in 30 seconds or less.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />)Melkor:  Edena needs you to make a final decision.  Power does not avail you much against the Dark Powers.   If you go in, you go in to them completely - lock, stock and barrel.  I suggest you do not accept their offer.  You can make your own path.</blockquote>

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