Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
Meta - Forums About Forums
Archive-threads
(IR) IR Interlude Turn 6 - Turn 7 (thread 4)
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Reprisal" data-source="post: 162292" data-attributes="member: 1161"><p><strong>It's not that simple, my friend...</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>((Oh, no problem with that, but, of course, I will also do what I must... You act as if it's already a done deal, and I somehow doubt that an entire population of people will blindly join a blatantly undemocratic, and illegitimate force. The people of the Alliance have lived in perhaps the greatest times they have ever known for the past forty years... Unless there's a <em><u><strong>really</strong></u></em> good explanation for such a great change in the political culture of the Humanoid Alliance, I doubt the dissidents will have any measure of popular support.))</p><p></p><p>And now for a point-by-point rebuttle:</p><p></p><p><em>"People of the Humanoid state! Your lands are now being attacked by the forces of the United Commonwealth. The forces of that "democracy" which you once joined and were a part of are now violating their own doctrine which allows for member states to seperate from the Commonwealth."</em></p><p></p><p>The United Commonwealth of Toril is still a democracy, though one that has been forced by the malign forces of tyranny that threaten the true freedom of its people. The lack of real, political choice is nothing short of tyranny. The Coup Forces do not represent the people of the Alliance. Everyone knows this, and your lack of faith in the democratic process is alarming, and quite characteristic of demogogues such as yourself.</p><p></p><p><em>"You sought freedom to seek your own destiny."</em></p><p></p><p>Which the forces of the Coup D'Etat took away when they executed our people in the missile fields, and other areas... They are your enemies, we are here to free you from them.</p><p></p><p><em>"Now you are repaid with missles and bombs used against you."</em></p><p></p><p>Or more correctly, used against military and strategic targets. Our methods, while extreme, are morally and politically justified. You are terrorists seeking to rule your own fiefdom, we are here to prevent that.</p><p></p><p><em>"Is this the same democratic government you chose to join many years ago? Are they still upholding their pledges for unity, freedom, and sovereignty?"</em></p><p></p><p>No, it is not. The time of Ian Payne and Lord Forrester are behind us, but the ideal of the Commonwealth remains. The only thing tainting that ideal is the dissident voices of military demogogues calling for a total revision of a well-running confederation.</p><p></p><p><em>"No! Their pledges of freedom have become guns in the hands of their troops who are even now invading your land. Their mandates of justice have become missles heading towards the military troops of the humanoid state that have for so long loyally worked with the UC."</em></p><p></p><p>Of course, all soldiers know that it is their duty to choose whether or not their actions are morally justified. All the soldiers fighting for the Alliance and the Commonwealth know the risks and repercussions of their actions. We are here to fight the dissidents, not the people.</p><p></p><p><em>"For years the Humanoid state has worked side by side, civilians and military, with the UC. Now the UC shows its true intentions. Their soldiers are heading towards your land with orders to occupy it and arrest the very leaders that have risked their lives for your freedom from the UC! Once they have control of your cities, they will impose strict martial law, further reducing your freedom." </em></p><p></p><p>Yes, it is true that the Humanoid Alliance has been a loyal friend and ally to the rest of those members of the Commonwealth, but the fact remains that the Dissident Generals threaten our very survival. These Generals are not your leaders, they are illegitimate because you did not elect them! Do you really believe that things will get better for you once these men cement power? I do not, and do not believe a word of a permanent martial law! We only do this to root out the supporters of the Dissidents and the Leaders of the Dissident Movement who hide like vermin under rocks.</p><p></p><p><em>"Do not allow them to do this!"</em></p><p></p><p>Why? We are only here to prevent the formation of another repressive régime of tin-pot dictators.</p><p></p><p><em>"Once they have trod upon your freedom, grinding it into the dust, once they have seized your military power, so that you have no opportunity to defend yourself from them, once they have you back under control, then you will never again have this opportunity for peace. Your freedoms will have been stricken from you. Your "choices" will be mandated by those who now seek to destroy the very forces that had been their comrades in arms. Without your weapons, you stand no chance at keeping your freedom!"</em></p><p></p><p>Your choices should be your own, not those of a vocal, and violent minority. Though the War Measures Act is by far an extreme action, the rest of the Commonwealth, even your own legitimate representatives in the Commonwealth Parliament believe it to be the only way to preserve true freedom of choice through representative democracy in the Humanoid Alliance. Do not believe this one's lies and distortions, for he has ulterior motives!</p><p></p><p><em>"Citizens of the Humanoid state! Rise up and fight!"</em></p><p></p><p>Yes, fight against the true tyrants-- The Dissident Generals who threaten to take away your freedoms guaranteed in the Charter of the Commonwealth.</p><p></p><p><em>"Fight for freedom!" </em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>"Fight for justice!" </em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>"Fight for choice!"</em></p><p></p><p>Yes, fight for your right to choose. Do not let these brigands make the choice for you!</p><p></p><p><em>"The history of many of your races is stained with being the victims of slavery in body, yet, if the UC is victorious, you will become slaves of the mind. Your choices will be meaningless. Your descisions will be for naught."</em></p><p></p><p>If you allow the Coup to continue, these things are guaranteed to occur. The United Commonwealth vows to make sure that your rights to freedom, choice and representation will remain. Have faith in democracy, have faith in yourselves, should you choose to leave the Commonwealth, we will not stop you, but only if you, the people choose for all to see in a democratic referendum. Only then! Violence will not be tolerated.</p><p></p><p><em>"I am reminded of the words of a political figure from another world: 'Give me liberty or give me death.'"</em></p><p></p><p>I must say that he who chooses to give up liberty in the place of security deserves neither liberty or security. <strong>"Intelligence in chains loses in lucidity what it gains in intensity."</strong> (( - Albert Camus))</p><p></p><p><em>"This is now your choice. Will you fight for your freedom, or will you be content to live under tyranny?"</em></p><p></p><p>Need I say more?</p><p></p><p><em>"Know this, should you decide to oppose the tyrants that are now invading you, the Union of Oerth will be fully behind you, as we have been throughout the past."</em></p><p></p><p>Know thise, the Union of Oerth is not a democratic society, in joining with them, you lose the rights so important to your own well-being. The Union of Oerth is only here to foster disunity for their own gain! They want to take from you, not give to you. I urge all rational, freedom loving citizens of the Humanoid Alliance to stand with the troops of liberty and justice and cast off the chains of these violent war-mongers.</p><p></p><p>((Like I said, not so easy... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Of course, control of the Humanoid people, who will really make the vital choice, defaults to Edena first, then Forrester, then... get it? Yeah, so I'm gone for the next six to seven hours. <u>Edena, may I ask that you make sure that things do not develop past a certain point for me? My physical absence should not take away from my ability to play my faction...</u>))</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Reprisal, post: 162292, member: 1161"] [b]It's not that simple, my friend...[/b] ((Oh, no problem with that, but, of course, I will also do what I must... You act as if it's already a done deal, and I somehow doubt that an entire population of people will blindly join a blatantly undemocratic, and illegitimate force. The people of the Alliance have lived in perhaps the greatest times they have ever known for the past forty years... Unless there's a [i][u][b]really[/b][/u][/i] good explanation for such a great change in the political culture of the Humanoid Alliance, I doubt the dissidents will have any measure of popular support.)) And now for a point-by-point rebuttle: [i]"People of the Humanoid state! Your lands are now being attacked by the forces of the United Commonwealth. The forces of that "democracy" which you once joined and were a part of are now violating their own doctrine which allows for member states to seperate from the Commonwealth."[/i] The United Commonwealth of Toril is still a democracy, though one that has been forced by the malign forces of tyranny that threaten the true freedom of its people. The lack of real, political choice is nothing short of tyranny. The Coup Forces do not represent the people of the Alliance. Everyone knows this, and your lack of faith in the democratic process is alarming, and quite characteristic of demogogues such as yourself. [i]"You sought freedom to seek your own destiny."[/i] Which the forces of the Coup D'Etat took away when they executed our people in the missile fields, and other areas... They are your enemies, we are here to free you from them. [i]"Now you are repaid with missles and bombs used against you."[/i] Or more correctly, used against military and strategic targets. Our methods, while extreme, are morally and politically justified. You are terrorists seeking to rule your own fiefdom, we are here to prevent that. [i]"Is this the same democratic government you chose to join many years ago? Are they still upholding their pledges for unity, freedom, and sovereignty?"[/i] No, it is not. The time of Ian Payne and Lord Forrester are behind us, but the ideal of the Commonwealth remains. The only thing tainting that ideal is the dissident voices of military demogogues calling for a total revision of a well-running confederation. [i]"No! Their pledges of freedom have become guns in the hands of their troops who are even now invading your land. Their mandates of justice have become missles heading towards the military troops of the humanoid state that have for so long loyally worked with the UC."[/i] Of course, all soldiers know that it is their duty to choose whether or not their actions are morally justified. All the soldiers fighting for the Alliance and the Commonwealth know the risks and repercussions of their actions. We are here to fight the dissidents, not the people. [i]"For years the Humanoid state has worked side by side, civilians and military, with the UC. Now the UC shows its true intentions. Their soldiers are heading towards your land with orders to occupy it and arrest the very leaders that have risked their lives for your freedom from the UC! Once they have control of your cities, they will impose strict martial law, further reducing your freedom." [/i] Yes, it is true that the Humanoid Alliance has been a loyal friend and ally to the rest of those members of the Commonwealth, but the fact remains that the Dissident Generals threaten our very survival. These Generals are not your leaders, they are illegitimate because you did not elect them! Do you really believe that things will get better for you once these men cement power? I do not, and do not believe a word of a permanent martial law! We only do this to root out the supporters of the Dissidents and the Leaders of the Dissident Movement who hide like vermin under rocks. [i]"Do not allow them to do this!"[/i] Why? We are only here to prevent the formation of another repressive régime of tin-pot dictators. [i]"Once they have trod upon your freedom, grinding it into the dust, once they have seized your military power, so that you have no opportunity to defend yourself from them, once they have you back under control, then you will never again have this opportunity for peace. Your freedoms will have been stricken from you. Your "choices" will be mandated by those who now seek to destroy the very forces that had been their comrades in arms. Without your weapons, you stand no chance at keeping your freedom!"[/i] Your choices should be your own, not those of a vocal, and violent minority. Though the War Measures Act is by far an extreme action, the rest of the Commonwealth, even your own legitimate representatives in the Commonwealth Parliament believe it to be the only way to preserve true freedom of choice through representative democracy in the Humanoid Alliance. Do not believe this one's lies and distortions, for he has ulterior motives! [i]"Citizens of the Humanoid state! Rise up and fight!"[/i] Yes, fight against the true tyrants-- The Dissident Generals who threaten to take away your freedoms guaranteed in the Charter of the Commonwealth. [i]"Fight for freedom!" "Fight for justice!" "Fight for choice!"[/i] Yes, fight for your right to choose. Do not let these brigands make the choice for you! [i]"The history of many of your races is stained with being the victims of slavery in body, yet, if the UC is victorious, you will become slaves of the mind. Your choices will be meaningless. Your descisions will be for naught."[/i] If you allow the Coup to continue, these things are guaranteed to occur. The United Commonwealth vows to make sure that your rights to freedom, choice and representation will remain. Have faith in democracy, have faith in yourselves, should you choose to leave the Commonwealth, we will not stop you, but only if you, the people choose for all to see in a democratic referendum. Only then! Violence will not be tolerated. [i]"I am reminded of the words of a political figure from another world: 'Give me liberty or give me death.'"[/i] I must say that he who chooses to give up liberty in the place of security deserves neither liberty or security. [b]"Intelligence in chains loses in lucidity what it gains in intensity."[/b] (( - Albert Camus)) [i]"This is now your choice. Will you fight for your freedom, or will you be content to live under tyranny?"[/i] Need I say more? [i]"Know this, should you decide to oppose the tyrants that are now invading you, the Union of Oerth will be fully behind you, as we have been throughout the past."[/i] Know thise, the Union of Oerth is not a democratic society, in joining with them, you lose the rights so important to your own well-being. The Union of Oerth is only here to foster disunity for their own gain! They want to take from you, not give to you. I urge all rational, freedom loving citizens of the Humanoid Alliance to stand with the troops of liberty and justice and cast off the chains of these violent war-mongers. ((Like I said, not so easy... ;) Of course, control of the Humanoid people, who will really make the vital choice, defaults to Edena first, then Forrester, then... get it? Yeah, so I'm gone for the next six to seven hours. [u]Edena, may I ask that you make sure that things do not develop past a certain point for me? My physical absence should not take away from my ability to play my faction...[/u])) [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
Meta - Forums About Forums
Archive-threads
(IR) IR Interlude Turn 6 - Turn 7 (thread 4)
Top