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<blockquote data-quote="Edena_of_Neith" data-source="post: 1304617" data-attributes="member: 2020"><p><strong>Charwoman Gene's Attack Thread of the 1st IR</strong></p><p></p><p>D&D 3rd Edition News Board </p><p> General RPG Discussion </p><p> Not a test please look (Page 1) </p><p></p><p> </p><p> profile | register | preferences | faq | search </p><p></p><p></p><p> This topic is 2 pages long: 1 2 </p><p> next newest topic | next oldest topic </p><p></p><p> Author </p><p> Topic: Not a test please look </p><p> CharwomanGene</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-11-2001 09:47 AM </p><p></p><p></p><p> So the Pantheon wasn't enough, we needed another IC uberthread?</p><p></p><p> I wonder what would happen if the Pantheon interfered in the industrial war.</p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> --Charwoman Gene, Goddess of Confusion, Sloth, Reading Between the Lines of WotC Cryptic</p><p> Announcements and Gender Ambiguity</p><p> Come to I-Con: <a href="http://www.iconsf.org" target="_blank">http://www.iconsf.org</a> </p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p> Piratecat</p><p> Moderator </p><p> posted 04-11-2001 09:54 AM </p><p></p><p> "Two great tastes that taste great together?"</p><p></p><p> Nah - I don't think so. Scary concept, though.</p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> - Piratecat</p><p> EN-Board President</p><p> "A cat that good, you don't eat all at once." </p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p> ColonelHardisson</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-11-2001 10:12 AM </p><p></p><p> "You got Pantheon in my Industrial Revolution!"</p><p></p><p> "You got Industrial Revolution in my Pantheon!"</p><p></p><p> If this keeps up, it'll be the "General Discussion Forum - If By General Discussion You Mean</p><p> Role-Playing By Messge Board."</p><p></p><p> I don't want new forums any more than the next guy, but maybe these rather specialized threads</p><p> deserve a place of their own? They do tend to crowd out less robust but more immediate threads</p><p> asking questions. </p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> "Illegitimis non carborundum."</p><p> -Gen. Joseph Stilwell </p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p> Lordnightshade</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-11-2001 10:50 AM </p><p></p><p> I would like to second the vote to have the Pantheon and Industrial War threads moved to their own</p><p> Discussion board role playing forum. I don't really have much interest in these threads and they</p><p> seem to greatly overshadow the threads I really care about (Questions, Advice, etc.) So what say</p><p> you Eric?</p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> Lordnightshade (Rat Bastard? DM)</p><p></p><p> </p><p> You can see my fantasy artwork at:</p><p> <a href="http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/loth/j/t/jtindel/jtindel.html" target="_blank">http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/loth/j/t/jtindel/jtindel.html</a> </p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p> illithidkid</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-11-2001 10:53 AM </p><p></p><p> IM SICK OF SEEING THE GNOME THREAD.</p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> "Here, take my +1 Mace" </p><p> Gary Gygax </p><p> -Futurama </p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p> Sigma</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-11-2001 11:15 AM </p><p></p><p></p><p> Simple solution:</p><p></p><p> DON'T CLICK ON THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION OR PANTHEON THREADS</p><p></p><p> Sheesh. I don't want to see another thread about paladin's alignment or whether or not the sorcerer</p><p> is overpowered or if the ranger and half-orc got the shaft. But I'm not going to ask Eric to make a</p><p> special message bored for tired and lame threads.</p><p></p><p> The pantheon are part and parcel of the EN experience. I'm not a particpant, I don't read their</p><p> threads, but by golly they were here first and they're Eric's friends. Seeing as how it's Eric's board, I</p><p> think they've got as much right to post about random pantheon things as we do to post about</p><p> whether or not paladins can kill baby orcs.</p><p></p><p> Sorry to flame, but sheesh.</p><p></p><p> Sigma </p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p> Kwalish Kid</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-11-2001 02:26 PM </p><p></p><p> Another reason why sigma is my favourite greek letter!</p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p></p><p> </p><p> Dark God of Facetiousness and Vaguely Lobsterlike Things </p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p> Bran Blackbyrd</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-11-2001 02:32 PM </p><p></p><p> It must be rough coming onto the board and seeing those two industrial threads. I sincerely</p><p> apologize for the part I played in them.</p><p> Or not.</p><p> What's the big deal? People post stupid crap anyday but apparently the gnome thread is the only</p><p> one that draws your ire? Is it because it's such a large thread? If you don't click on it, what's the</p><p> problem?</p><p> Pfft.</p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> Jason "Warlocke" Lewis</p><p> ----------------------</p><p> DM: You see there are orcs camped out in the chasm ahead of you.</p><p> Me: Do they have multiple Orc-Chasms?</p><p> Warlocke's Realm </p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p> CharwomanGene</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-11-2001 02:33 PM </p><p></p><p> I am allowed to pantheon bash all I freaking want!</p><p> I created it. </p><p></p><p> I wasn't really complaining, although I think A Dave may have sabotaged the gnome thread.</p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p> Bran Blackbyrd</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-11-2001 02:34 PM </p><p></p><p> Besides. Toril's in ruins, I think the thread is winding down.</p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> Jason "Warlocke" Lewis</p><p> ----------------------</p><p> DM: You see there are orcs camped out in the chasm ahead of you.</p><p> Me: Do they have multiple Orc-Chasms?</p><p> Warlocke's Realm </p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p> DarwinofMind</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-11-2001 02:36 PM </p><p></p><p> You didn't have to read it if you didn't want to, it was fun, we enjoyed it and it wasn't a new</p><p> pantheon, It was nothing like the pantheon, And don't worry UBB destroyed it, it's overnow, so go</p><p> find something else to complain about, you could tell us how lame half-orcs are again or someone</p><p> could post a new ranger, </p><p></p><p> That would be sooo much better then the IR thread. </p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p> ColonelHardisson</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-11-2001 05:39 PM </p><p></p><p> IT'S NOT A MATTER OF HAVING TO READ THEM, IT'S A MATTER OF THEM SHOVING OTHER THREADS</p><p> OFF THE FIRST PAGE BEFORE THEY GET A CHANCE TO BE READ AND RESPONDED TOO!!!</p><p></p><p> Could I be any more explicit???</p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> "Illegitimis non carborundum."</p><p> -Gen. Joseph Stilwell </p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p> Kesh</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-11-2001 05:52 PM </p><p></p><p> Colonel, every thread does that to the rest, especially the other OT ones. Besides which, most</p><p> Pantheon threads (and the IR one) last for a long time on a single thread, so it's just one topic that</p><p> bounces up and down the front page until it's locked and a new one shows up.</p><p></p><p> I don't see that they really hurt anything that much. Besides which, the IR thread wasn't intended to</p><p> turn into that... Edna just posted a hypothetical question, and after a while it took on a</p><p> Pantheon-esque life of its own...</p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> Kesh</p><p> </p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p> Sacred Cow</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-11-2001 05:56 PM </p><p></p><p> There was once a game called "Sigma 7" on the Commodore 64. Does anyone remember it?</p><p></p><p> Anyway, all I can say is: Yo, Sigma, preach on, brother! Those Pantheon and Steampunk threads</p><p> hurt no one. Plus, if it is done the way it´s intended this means that there are two (meaning: 2)</p><p> threads that push down other stuff.</p><p></p><p> Threads like this one which are about the Pantheon or the industrial Revolution are the ones that</p><p> really multiply and flood the board.</p><p></p><p> But I would like to use this opportunity to congratulate Edena on this new place he created. It gives</p><p> people who don´t like the concept of the Pantheon the opportunity to do some role playing here on</p><p> the board, without joining up the Pantheon.</p><p></p><p> Colonel- by answering to this thread, you pushed some other thread to the next page. You are</p><p> aware of it, aren´t you?</p><p></p><p> By participating in either the Pantheon or the Industrial Revolution threads, you would have merely</p><p> participated in two threads which float on the top anyway. </p><p></p><p> This "floating" means that the number of other threads shown is lessened by a total of two. So it</p><p> can hardly be said that they would be shoving other threads of the board before they can be read.</p><p></p><p> This "shoving" is only done by a high number of threads being created. Like all those "I don´t like</p><p> the Pantheon/Steam Punk" threads, for instance.</p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> </p><p> "illegitimis non carbonarum" - C.H.</p><p> <a href="http://www.crazyforcows.com/" target="_blank">http://www.crazyforcows.com/</a> </p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p> Blood Jester</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-11-2001 06:14 PM </p><p></p><p> As a participant in the Industrial Wars, I would like to offer this.</p><p></p><p> There has been much talk lately about the loss of civility and community on these boards. Now a</p><p> bunch of total strangers (I have NO clue about the other participants in that thread) got together</p><p> and HAD FUN!!! In D&D role-playing style no less. (Kinda on topic, huh.) It was all very</p><p> spontaneous, and it seems that Edena tried to incorporate everyone who showed up wanting to</p><p> contribute.</p><p></p><p> I made new friends, even with my 'enemies' and even if we will never meet. We posted over, oh</p><p> 600-700 times without being nasty or flaming. Is that what upsets people? That we didn't act like</p><p> children? I thought we had a great experiment in getting together in a friendly, social, gaming</p><p> community, and I apologize for offending anyone by doing so.</p><p></p><p> To be honest, I have never had a clue what the pantheon was about, and although I felt 'left out' I</p><p> never made a scene about it, and simply left those threads to their participants. No muss, no fuss.</p><p></p><p> Also, I can't possibly keep up with the pace set in the Industrial Wars threads, so I doubt I will ever</p><p> get the chance to be a part of something like that again, (which is too bad since I truly had a blast</p><p> thanks again to everyone involved, especially Edena).</p><p></p><p> We lived up to the spirit of the boards, what did we do wrong?</p><p></p><p> Blood Jester </p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p> AZRogue</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-11-2001 06:23 PM </p><p></p><p> The Pantheon (and the new one too, from what I can see) threads are just fun. There shouldn't be</p><p> more then one active at a time anyway so they aren't "pushing threads" onto the second page too</p><p> much.</p><p></p><p> Using that arguement, I can't stand "Shaft" threads. Not even a little. Do I beg Eric to move them to</p><p> another Forum for pushing other threads off the page? Some of those Shaft threads get pretty large</p><p> too, and don't inspire nearly as much good will. </p><p></p><p> To each his own, I say. Leave the pantheon/gnome revoloution threads alone, and I won't petition</p><p> to get rid of your "shaft/DnD opinion threads. As for rule questions, there's already a forum for</p><p> them.</p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> </p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p> Bozidar</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-11-2001 06:26 PM </p><p></p><p></p><p> quote:</p><p></p><p> Originally posted by ColonelHardisson:</p><p> Could I be any more explicit???</p><p></p><p></p><p> Perhaps not, but maybe you could ask Dragoth The Destroyer to help you make it more politically</p><p> correct, and polite? Just a suggestion </p><p></p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p></p><p> [This message has been edited by Bozidar (edited 04-11-2001).] </p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p> Psion</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-11-2001 07:29 PM </p><p></p><p> I'll throw in my two cents.</p><p></p><p> While I do usually just step around the, ahem, babble (sorry guys, great fun, just don't have</p><p> sufficient time or interest) splitting RPG forums into IC and OOC forums is a simple common sense</p><p> move that declutters things and makes both types more readable. I really don't think the knee-jerk</p><p> defensiveness on the issue is warranted.</p><p></p><p> So you have my support. </p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p> CreativeMountain</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-11-2001 07:34 PM </p><p></p><p></p><p> quote:</p><p></p><p> Originally posted by Sacred Cow:</p><p> Those Pantheon and Steampunk threads hurt no one. Plus, if it is done the way it´s</p><p> intended this means that there are two (meaning: 2) threads that push down other</p><p> stuff.</p><p></p><p> Threads like this one which are about the Pantheon or the industrial Revolution are</p><p> the ones that really multiply and flood the board.</p><p></p><p> But I would like to use this opportunity to congratulate Edena on this new place he</p><p> created. It gives people who don´t like the concept of the Pantheon the opportunity</p><p> to do some role playing here on the board, without joining up the Pantheon.</p><p></p><p> ...</p><p></p><p> This "shoving" is only done by a high number of threads being created. Like all those</p><p> "I don´t like the Pantheon/Steam Punk" threads, for instance.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> All valid points. As are the points made by the good Colonel Hardisson.</p><p></p><p> (begin edit)</p><p></p><p> Aha! The obvious solution would be to begin a separate "Forum for Interactive Stories".</p><p></p><p> Why would this work?</p><p></p><p> 1. There would be a place for the continuous threads that often push other "General" topics down</p><p> the list before they can be addressed.</p><p></p><p> 2. Other threads would not be started protesting the "Interactive Story" threads thus no longer</p><p> driving "General" topic threads even further down the boards.</p><p></p><p> The "Pantheon", the "Industrial Revolution", (etal) hurt no one, truth. They are fun and interesting</p><p> to read (and participate) when the mood is right. But... </p><p></p><p> They are not "General" and are no longer incidental or rare. They are a fixture to Eric's site that</p><p> deserve their own forum. </p><p></p><p> There, no one will complain about them. There, they will no longer be viewed as "driving other topics</p><p> off the first page". There they will prosper and thrive!</p><p></p><p> Such a simple solution and I was the absolute first one to think of it! I claim this idea as my own</p><p> and demand that when it is implemented I receive full and singular credit!</p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> "If a tree falls on a mime in the forest, does anyone care?" - Shields and Yarnell</p><p></p><p> [This message has been edited by CreativeMountain (edited 04-11-2001).] </p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p> DarwinofMind</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-11-2001 07:56 PM </p><p></p><p> Reposted from the other thread complaining about the same topic. She the complaint are the real</p><p> damage, all the complaint including shaft posts.</p><p></p><p> A Roleplay forum is a good idea ...."</p><p> But it will never be used properly. for instance the Industrail Revolution thread started as something</p><p> that completely belong in here, and had nothing to do with roleplay, But it was rapidly devoloping</p><p> into a flame war, and for some reason we fought it out with a fun and thought provoking roleplay</p><p> than with flames and insults. </p><p></p><p> Where would you have started a thread like that? You wouldn't have anyway of knowing it was going</p><p> to be IC.... See, this is the point of General, it's General, anything can fit here, That way the thread</p><p> can change and it still belongs here."</p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p> Mishihari Lord</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-11-2001 08:13 PM </p><p></p><p> I'm all for keeping the pantheon and similar threads here in the general boards. Why? It keeps lots</p><p> of people who are knowledgable about the rules and role-playing games in general involved. If</p><p> they're posting here, maybe they'll notice _your_ thread and post a constructive comments. If they</p><p> spend all their time on a seperate board they won't see your "serious" questions and comments. It</p><p> really helps keep the community together. </p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p> maddman75</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-11-2001 09:07 PM </p><p></p><p> I have to argue to keep the IC thread in the main board. I for one wouldn't peruse a IC board. I</p><p> wouldn't have ever entered the war if it were segregated to another board, and I have to say it was</p><p> one of the most entertaining things I've ever been involved in.</p><p></p><p> PS - so quit your moaning, or I'll send my machine gun toting devils after you </p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> "If I ever get a tumor I'm gonna name it Marla." </p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p> CreativeMountain</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-11-2001 10:55 PM </p><p></p><p> Not that it matters to me much either way. Keep the threads where they are most wanted.</p><p></p><p> Personally I just saw a lot of complaining and the subsequent complaining about the complaining</p><p> (etc., ad infinitum). I guess we all just have to agree (and Eric will do as he likes in any event) that</p><p> they will have their own forum or they will not.</p><p></p><p> If they move, it ends the complaints. If they stay, so do the complaints...I suppose. Surely it is</p><p> someone's right to complain (if it is done in a civil manner and without personal attacks) as much as</p><p> it is the right of someone to have those threads exist and post to them. Just as it is the right of the</p><p> people involved in the threads of which there are complaints to respond to those complaints. Again</p><p> this too should be done in a civil and friendly manner.</p><p></p><p> I suppose it would be my recommendation for everyone to look over their posts and be sure they</p><p> are not complaining uncivilly, taking complaints to seriously and/or responding in a less than</p><p> friendly manner.</p><p></p><p> I just hope that everyone is enjoying themselves.</p><p></p><p> My two for what it is worth.</p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> "If a tree falls on a mime in the forest, does anyone care?" - Shields and Yarnell </p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p> TheShadowOfMyFormerSelf</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-12-2001 02:19 AM </p><p></p><p></p><p> quote:</p><p></p><p> Originally posted by Sigma:</p><p> Sheesh. I don't want to see another thread about paladin's alignment or whether or</p><p> not the sorcerer is overpowered or if the ranger and half-orc got the shaft. But I'm</p><p> not going to ask Eric to make a special message bored for tired and lame threads.</p><p></p><p></p><p> Maybe you should stop visiting the General Forum, then; it's full of those blasted things and I don't</p><p> think this will change any time soon. </p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> Beast I am, lest beast I become. </p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p> Psion</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-12-2001 09:25 AM </p><p></p><p></p><p> quote:</p><p></p><p> Originally posted by TheShadowOfMyFormerSelf:</p><p> Maybe you should stop visiting the General Forum, then; it's full of those blasted</p><p> things and I don't think this will change any time soon. </p><p></p><p></p><p> Well, we are trying to see what we can do about that.</p><p></p><p> For all the oldtimers, did rules start out as a separate forum, or was it the same forum at one time?</p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p></p><p></p><p> This topic is 2 pages long: 1 2 </p><p></p><p> All times are Central Time (US)</p><p> next newest topic | next oldest topic</p><p></p><p> Administrative Options: Close Topic | Archive/Move | Delete Topic</p><p> </p><p> Hop to: </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> Contact Us | D&D 3rd Edition News </p><p></p><p></p><p> Ultimate Bulletin Board 5.47b</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p> D&D 3rd Edition News Board </p><p> General RPG Discussion </p><p> Not a test please look (Page 2) </p><p></p><p> </p><p> profile | register | preferences | faq | search </p><p></p><p></p><p> This topic is 2 pages long: 1 2 </p><p> next newest topic | next oldest topic </p><p></p><p> Author </p><p> Topic: Not a test please look </p><p> The Traveler</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-12-2001 09:31 AM </p><p></p><p> The problem isn't the one to two threads that are Pantheon or Gnomish Nuclear Armageddon at any given</p><p> point. The problem is the twenty or so threads asking "What's the [Pantheon/Gnomish Blitzkrieg]", saying "I</p><p> hate the [Pantheon/Gnomish Hamster Tanks]", and "We should have a [Pantheon/Gnomish War Turnips]</p><p> forum".</p><p></p><p> How many people use threads to roleplay? Only two groups I can see. Would that be enough to fill a forum?</p><p> I don't think so... </p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p> Piratecat</p><p> Moderator </p><p> posted 04-12-2001 09:33 AM </p><p></p><p></p><p> quote:</p><p></p><p> Originally posted by Psion:</p><p> For all the oldtimers, did rules start out as a separate forum, or was it the same forum at one</p><p> time?</p><p></p><p></p><p> It was the same forum for a long time. The speed in which rules disappeared off the page necessitated a</p><p> different forum, though. </p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p> Kwalish Kid</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-12-2001 09:49 AM </p><p></p><p> Ah, yes, I remember the great purge of... was that this year?</p><p></p><p> Yes the Rules board was part of general discussion.</p><p></p><p> I think, to make Colenel "I'm the real Gary Gygax" Hardisson happy, we should start a board called "Off</p><p> Topic Thread Discussion", where we can all go to discuss the off-topic threads.</p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p></p><p> </p><p> Dark God of Facetiousness and Vaguely Lobsterlike Things </p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p> GeneralHardisson</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-12-2001 10:51 AM </p><p></p><p></p><p> quote:</p><p></p><p> Originally posted by Kwalish Kid:</p><p> Ah, yes, I remember the great purge of... was that this year?</p><p></p><p> Yes the Rules board was part of general discussion.</p><p></p><p> I think, to make Colenel "I'm the real Gary Gygax" Hardisson happy, we should start a board</p><p> called "Off Topic Thread Discussion", where we can all go to discuss the off-topic threads.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> How is it that Charwoman Gene and Teflon Billy start the threads, but somehow I become the focus of the</p><p> ire?</p><p></p><p> Also, it wasn't all the "I hate these threads" threads that caused the problem - it was all the myriad NEW</p><p> threads started about the Industrial Revolution in FR, and the ones thanking each other for a great thread.</p><p> Either people weren't paying attention, or just HAD to have their name on the "main" IR thread...</p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> "If everybody is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking." - General George S. Patton </p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p> GeneralHardisson</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-12-2001 10:55 AM </p><p></p><p> BTW, I changed my handle because of this "who's Gary Gygax?" thing. I have tried to clear up the confusion</p><p> wherever I saw it. However, even though I don't feel it's entirely fair to have to do it, I decided I might as</p><p> well change the damned handle once and for all. </p><p></p><p> It's not like I've been using it for quite a while or anything.</p><p></p><p> Oh. Wait. I have.</p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> "If everybody is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking." - General George S. Patton </p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p> GeneralHardisson</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-12-2001 12:54 PM </p><p></p><p> YES! I have won the argument! My perfect sense of what is and isn't correct has so flummoxed everyone</p><p> that they were unable to reply, blasted by the light of perfect reason!</p><p></p><p> Must've been when I pointed out I wasn't the one who started these threads.</p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> "If everybody is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking." - General George S. Patton</p><p></p><p> [This message has been edited by GeneralHardisson (edited 04-12-2001).] </p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p> Kwalish Kid</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-12-2001 01:49 PM </p><p></p><p> I hope you can hold on to that battlefield promotion, Hardisson. From where I'm looking, you're due for a</p><p> dressing down. </p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p></p><p> </p><p> Dark God of Facetiousness and Vaguely Lobsterlike Things </p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p> Blood Jester</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-12-2001 03:15 PM </p><p></p><p></p><p> quote:</p><p></p><p> Originally posted by Psion:</p><p> I'll throw in my two cents.</p><p></p><p> While I do usually just step around the, ahem, babble (sorry guys, great fun, just don't have</p><p> sufficient time or interest) splitting RPG forums into IC and OOC forums is a simple common</p><p> sense move that declutters things and makes both types more readable. I really don't think</p><p> the knee-jerk defensiveness on the issue is warranted.</p><p></p><p> So you have my support.</p><p></p><p></p><p> Two points:</p><p></p><p> 1) A politely worded response to a strongly stated opinion that relates directly to oneself is not 'knee-jerk'</p><p> anything.</p><p></p><p> 2) The 'shouted' (i.e. all caps) statements by illithidkid and the-poster-formerly-known-as-ColonelHardisson</p><p> seemed in need of a response.</p><p></p><p> Thank you.</p><p></p><p> Blood Jester</p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p> GeneralHardisson</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-12-2001 03:32 PM </p><p></p><p> Blood Jester -</p><p> I wouldn't have used all caps if people hadn't kept acting as though I was saying the threads should never</p><p> be started. People seem to read what they want to read; I second someone's thoughts about something,</p><p> and in addition offer an innocuous suggestion, and suddenly people act as though I was wanting to shut</p><p> down everything they wanted to do. If there had been any real evidence that others had actually read what</p><p> was written by me and not gotten defensive BEFORE my all-caps post, then I wouldn't have posted all-caps.</p><p></p><p> And I changed the handle because the confusion between Col_Pladoh and ColonelHardisson was getting</p><p> ridiculous.</p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> "If everybody is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking." - General George S. Patton </p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p> Cyberzombie</p><p> Member </p><p> posted 04-12-2001 03:56 PM </p><p></p><p> First off -- this is not a response to you, Hardison, so don't get upset on me. </p><p></p><p> You can try to push us off the General Discussion. But ya won't succeed. We'll just come back and hijack all</p><p> your threads and turn them into ROLEPLAYING THREADS. Heh heh heh. None of you will be able to stand it.</p><p> Oh yes, I know how much all of you hate roleplaying. Can't stand the stuff.</p><p></p><p> Well, tough! All of y'all may be anti-roleplaying, but we're going to do it anyway.</p><p></p><p> So there. </p><p></p><p> ------------------</p><p> </p><p> Goddess of Undeath, Technology, and Sillyness! </p><p> Cyberzombie's Greyhawk 2001 </p><p></p><p> IP: Logged</p><p></p><p></p><p> This topic is 2 pages long: 1 2 </p><p></p><p> All times are Central Time (US)</p><p> next newest topic | next oldest topic</p><p></p><p> Administrative Options: Close Topic | Archive/Move | Delete Topic</p><p> </p><p> Hop to: </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> Contact Us | D&D 3rd Edition News </p><p></p><p></p><p> Ultimate Bulletin Board 5.47b</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Edena_of_Neith, post: 1304617, member: 2020"] [b]Charwoman Gene's Attack Thread of the 1st IR[/b] D&D 3rd Edition News Board General RPG Discussion Not a test please look (Page 1) profile | register | preferences | faq | search This topic is 2 pages long: 1 2 next newest topic | next oldest topic Author Topic: Not a test please look CharwomanGene Member posted 04-11-2001 09:47 AM So the Pantheon wasn't enough, we needed another IC uberthread? I wonder what would happen if the Pantheon interfered in the industrial war. ------------------ --Charwoman Gene, Goddess of Confusion, Sloth, Reading Between the Lines of WotC Cryptic Announcements and Gender Ambiguity Come to I-Con: [url]http://www.iconsf.org[/url] IP: Logged Piratecat Moderator posted 04-11-2001 09:54 AM "Two great tastes that taste great together?" Nah - I don't think so. Scary concept, though. ------------------ - Piratecat EN-Board President "A cat that good, you don't eat all at once." IP: Logged ColonelHardisson Member posted 04-11-2001 10:12 AM "You got Pantheon in my Industrial Revolution!" "You got Industrial Revolution in my Pantheon!" If this keeps up, it'll be the "General Discussion Forum - If By General Discussion You Mean Role-Playing By Messge Board." I don't want new forums any more than the next guy, but maybe these rather specialized threads deserve a place of their own? They do tend to crowd out less robust but more immediate threads asking questions. ------------------ "Illegitimis non carborundum." -Gen. Joseph Stilwell IP: Logged Lordnightshade Member posted 04-11-2001 10:50 AM I would like to second the vote to have the Pantheon and Industrial War threads moved to their own Discussion board role playing forum. I don't really have much interest in these threads and they seem to greatly overshadow the threads I really care about (Questions, Advice, etc.) So what say you Eric? ------------------ Lordnightshade (Rat Bastard? DM) You can see my fantasy artwork at: [url]http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/loth/j/t/jtindel/jtindel.html[/url] IP: Logged illithidkid Member posted 04-11-2001 10:53 AM IM SICK OF SEEING THE GNOME THREAD. ------------------ "Here, take my +1 Mace" Gary Gygax -Futurama IP: Logged Sigma Member posted 04-11-2001 11:15 AM Simple solution: DON'T CLICK ON THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION OR PANTHEON THREADS Sheesh. I don't want to see another thread about paladin's alignment or whether or not the sorcerer is overpowered or if the ranger and half-orc got the shaft. But I'm not going to ask Eric to make a special message bored for tired and lame threads. The pantheon are part and parcel of the EN experience. I'm not a particpant, I don't read their threads, but by golly they were here first and they're Eric's friends. Seeing as how it's Eric's board, I think they've got as much right to post about random pantheon things as we do to post about whether or not paladins can kill baby orcs. Sorry to flame, but sheesh. Sigma IP: Logged Kwalish Kid Member posted 04-11-2001 02:26 PM Another reason why sigma is my favourite greek letter! ------------------ Dark God of Facetiousness and Vaguely Lobsterlike Things IP: Logged Bran Blackbyrd Member posted 04-11-2001 02:32 PM It must be rough coming onto the board and seeing those two industrial threads. I sincerely apologize for the part I played in them. Or not. What's the big deal? People post stupid crap anyday but apparently the gnome thread is the only one that draws your ire? Is it because it's such a large thread? If you don't click on it, what's the problem? Pfft. ------------------ Jason "Warlocke" Lewis ---------------------- DM: You see there are orcs camped out in the chasm ahead of you. Me: Do they have multiple Orc-Chasms? Warlocke's Realm IP: Logged CharwomanGene Member posted 04-11-2001 02:33 PM I am allowed to pantheon bash all I freaking want! I created it. I wasn't really complaining, although I think A Dave may have sabotaged the gnome thread. IP: Logged Bran Blackbyrd Member posted 04-11-2001 02:34 PM Besides. Toril's in ruins, I think the thread is winding down. ------------------ Jason "Warlocke" Lewis ---------------------- DM: You see there are orcs camped out in the chasm ahead of you. Me: Do they have multiple Orc-Chasms? Warlocke's Realm IP: Logged DarwinofMind Member posted 04-11-2001 02:36 PM You didn't have to read it if you didn't want to, it was fun, we enjoyed it and it wasn't a new pantheon, It was nothing like the pantheon, And don't worry UBB destroyed it, it's overnow, so go find something else to complain about, you could tell us how lame half-orcs are again or someone could post a new ranger, That would be sooo much better then the IR thread. IP: Logged ColonelHardisson Member posted 04-11-2001 05:39 PM IT'S NOT A MATTER OF HAVING TO READ THEM, IT'S A MATTER OF THEM SHOVING OTHER THREADS OFF THE FIRST PAGE BEFORE THEY GET A CHANCE TO BE READ AND RESPONDED TOO!!! Could I be any more explicit??? ------------------ "Illegitimis non carborundum." -Gen. Joseph Stilwell IP: Logged Kesh Member posted 04-11-2001 05:52 PM Colonel, every thread does that to the rest, especially the other OT ones. Besides which, most Pantheon threads (and the IR one) last for a long time on a single thread, so it's just one topic that bounces up and down the front page until it's locked and a new one shows up. I don't see that they really hurt anything that much. Besides which, the IR thread wasn't intended to turn into that... Edna just posted a hypothetical question, and after a while it took on a Pantheon-esque life of its own... ------------------ Kesh IP: Logged Sacred Cow Member posted 04-11-2001 05:56 PM There was once a game called "Sigma 7" on the Commodore 64. Does anyone remember it? Anyway, all I can say is: Yo, Sigma, preach on, brother! Those Pantheon and Steampunk threads hurt no one. Plus, if it is done the way it´s intended this means that there are two (meaning: 2) threads that push down other stuff. Threads like this one which are about the Pantheon or the industrial Revolution are the ones that really multiply and flood the board. But I would like to use this opportunity to congratulate Edena on this new place he created. It gives people who don´t like the concept of the Pantheon the opportunity to do some role playing here on the board, without joining up the Pantheon. Colonel- by answering to this thread, you pushed some other thread to the next page. You are aware of it, aren´t you? By participating in either the Pantheon or the Industrial Revolution threads, you would have merely participated in two threads which float on the top anyway. This "floating" means that the number of other threads shown is lessened by a total of two. So it can hardly be said that they would be shoving other threads of the board before they can be read. This "shoving" is only done by a high number of threads being created. Like all those "I don´t like the Pantheon/Steam Punk" threads, for instance. ------------------ "illegitimis non carbonarum" - C.H. [url]http://www.crazyforcows.com/[/url] IP: Logged Blood Jester Member posted 04-11-2001 06:14 PM As a participant in the Industrial Wars, I would like to offer this. There has been much talk lately about the loss of civility and community on these boards. Now a bunch of total strangers (I have NO clue about the other participants in that thread) got together and HAD FUN!!! In D&D role-playing style no less. (Kinda on topic, huh.) It was all very spontaneous, and it seems that Edena tried to incorporate everyone who showed up wanting to contribute. I made new friends, even with my 'enemies' and even if we will never meet. We posted over, oh 600-700 times without being nasty or flaming. Is that what upsets people? That we didn't act like children? I thought we had a great experiment in getting together in a friendly, social, gaming community, and I apologize for offending anyone by doing so. To be honest, I have never had a clue what the pantheon was about, and although I felt 'left out' I never made a scene about it, and simply left those threads to their participants. No muss, no fuss. Also, I can't possibly keep up with the pace set in the Industrial Wars threads, so I doubt I will ever get the chance to be a part of something like that again, (which is too bad since I truly had a blast thanks again to everyone involved, especially Edena). We lived up to the spirit of the boards, what did we do wrong? Blood Jester IP: Logged AZRogue Member posted 04-11-2001 06:23 PM The Pantheon (and the new one too, from what I can see) threads are just fun. There shouldn't be more then one active at a time anyway so they aren't "pushing threads" onto the second page too much. Using that arguement, I can't stand "Shaft" threads. Not even a little. Do I beg Eric to move them to another Forum for pushing other threads off the page? Some of those Shaft threads get pretty large too, and don't inspire nearly as much good will. To each his own, I say. Leave the pantheon/gnome revoloution threads alone, and I won't petition to get rid of your "shaft/DnD opinion threads. As for rule questions, there's already a forum for them. ------------------ IP: Logged Bozidar Member posted 04-11-2001 06:26 PM quote: Originally posted by ColonelHardisson: Could I be any more explicit??? Perhaps not, but maybe you could ask Dragoth The Destroyer to help you make it more politically correct, and polite? Just a suggestion ------------------ [This message has been edited by Bozidar (edited 04-11-2001).] IP: Logged Psion Member posted 04-11-2001 07:29 PM I'll throw in my two cents. While I do usually just step around the, ahem, babble (sorry guys, great fun, just don't have sufficient time or interest) splitting RPG forums into IC and OOC forums is a simple common sense move that declutters things and makes both types more readable. I really don't think the knee-jerk defensiveness on the issue is warranted. So you have my support. IP: Logged CreativeMountain Member posted 04-11-2001 07:34 PM quote: Originally posted by Sacred Cow: Those Pantheon and Steampunk threads hurt no one. Plus, if it is done the way it´s intended this means that there are two (meaning: 2) threads that push down other stuff. Threads like this one which are about the Pantheon or the industrial Revolution are the ones that really multiply and flood the board. But I would like to use this opportunity to congratulate Edena on this new place he created. It gives people who don´t like the concept of the Pantheon the opportunity to do some role playing here on the board, without joining up the Pantheon. ... This "shoving" is only done by a high number of threads being created. Like all those "I don´t like the Pantheon/Steam Punk" threads, for instance. All valid points. As are the points made by the good Colonel Hardisson. (begin edit) Aha! The obvious solution would be to begin a separate "Forum for Interactive Stories". Why would this work? 1. There would be a place for the continuous threads that often push other "General" topics down the list before they can be addressed. 2. Other threads would not be started protesting the "Interactive Story" threads thus no longer driving "General" topic threads even further down the boards. The "Pantheon", the "Industrial Revolution", (etal) hurt no one, truth. They are fun and interesting to read (and participate) when the mood is right. But... They are not "General" and are no longer incidental or rare. They are a fixture to Eric's site that deserve their own forum. There, no one will complain about them. There, they will no longer be viewed as "driving other topics off the first page". There they will prosper and thrive! Such a simple solution and I was the absolute first one to think of it! I claim this idea as my own and demand that when it is implemented I receive full and singular credit! ------------------ "If a tree falls on a mime in the forest, does anyone care?" - Shields and Yarnell [This message has been edited by CreativeMountain (edited 04-11-2001).] IP: Logged DarwinofMind Member posted 04-11-2001 07:56 PM Reposted from the other thread complaining about the same topic. She the complaint are the real damage, all the complaint including shaft posts. A Roleplay forum is a good idea ...." But it will never be used properly. for instance the Industrail Revolution thread started as something that completely belong in here, and had nothing to do with roleplay, But it was rapidly devoloping into a flame war, and for some reason we fought it out with a fun and thought provoking roleplay than with flames and insults. Where would you have started a thread like that? You wouldn't have anyway of knowing it was going to be IC.... See, this is the point of General, it's General, anything can fit here, That way the thread can change and it still belongs here." IP: Logged Mishihari Lord Member posted 04-11-2001 08:13 PM I'm all for keeping the pantheon and similar threads here in the general boards. Why? It keeps lots of people who are knowledgable about the rules and role-playing games in general involved. If they're posting here, maybe they'll notice _your_ thread and post a constructive comments. If they spend all their time on a seperate board they won't see your "serious" questions and comments. It really helps keep the community together. IP: Logged maddman75 Member posted 04-11-2001 09:07 PM I have to argue to keep the IC thread in the main board. I for one wouldn't peruse a IC board. I wouldn't have ever entered the war if it were segregated to another board, and I have to say it was one of the most entertaining things I've ever been involved in. PS - so quit your moaning, or I'll send my machine gun toting devils after you ------------------ "If I ever get a tumor I'm gonna name it Marla." IP: Logged CreativeMountain Member posted 04-11-2001 10:55 PM Not that it matters to me much either way. Keep the threads where they are most wanted. Personally I just saw a lot of complaining and the subsequent complaining about the complaining (etc., ad infinitum). I guess we all just have to agree (and Eric will do as he likes in any event) that they will have their own forum or they will not. If they move, it ends the complaints. If they stay, so do the complaints...I suppose. Surely it is someone's right to complain (if it is done in a civil manner and without personal attacks) as much as it is the right of someone to have those threads exist and post to them. Just as it is the right of the people involved in the threads of which there are complaints to respond to those complaints. Again this too should be done in a civil and friendly manner. I suppose it would be my recommendation for everyone to look over their posts and be sure they are not complaining uncivilly, taking complaints to seriously and/or responding in a less than friendly manner. I just hope that everyone is enjoying themselves. My two for what it is worth. ------------------ "If a tree falls on a mime in the forest, does anyone care?" - Shields and Yarnell IP: Logged TheShadowOfMyFormerSelf Member posted 04-12-2001 02:19 AM quote: Originally posted by Sigma: Sheesh. I don't want to see another thread about paladin's alignment or whether or not the sorcerer is overpowered or if the ranger and half-orc got the shaft. But I'm not going to ask Eric to make a special message bored for tired and lame threads. Maybe you should stop visiting the General Forum, then; it's full of those blasted things and I don't think this will change any time soon. ------------------ Beast I am, lest beast I become. IP: Logged Psion Member posted 04-12-2001 09:25 AM quote: Originally posted by TheShadowOfMyFormerSelf: Maybe you should stop visiting the General Forum, then; it's full of those blasted things and I don't think this will change any time soon. Well, we are trying to see what we can do about that. For all the oldtimers, did rules start out as a separate forum, or was it the same forum at one time? IP: Logged This topic is 2 pages long: 1 2 All times are Central Time (US) next newest topic | next oldest topic Administrative Options: Close Topic | Archive/Move | Delete Topic Hop to: Contact Us | D&D 3rd Edition News Ultimate Bulletin Board 5.47b D&D 3rd Edition News Board General RPG Discussion Not a test please look (Page 2) profile | register | preferences | faq | search This topic is 2 pages long: 1 2 next newest topic | next oldest topic Author Topic: Not a test please look The Traveler Member posted 04-12-2001 09:31 AM The problem isn't the one to two threads that are Pantheon or Gnomish Nuclear Armageddon at any given point. The problem is the twenty or so threads asking "What's the [Pantheon/Gnomish Blitzkrieg]", saying "I hate the [Pantheon/Gnomish Hamster Tanks]", and "We should have a [Pantheon/Gnomish War Turnips] forum". How many people use threads to roleplay? Only two groups I can see. Would that be enough to fill a forum? I don't think so... IP: Logged Piratecat Moderator posted 04-12-2001 09:33 AM quote: Originally posted by Psion: For all the oldtimers, did rules start out as a separate forum, or was it the same forum at one time? It was the same forum for a long time. The speed in which rules disappeared off the page necessitated a different forum, though. IP: Logged Kwalish Kid Member posted 04-12-2001 09:49 AM Ah, yes, I remember the great purge of... was that this year? Yes the Rules board was part of general discussion. I think, to make Colenel "I'm the real Gary Gygax" Hardisson happy, we should start a board called "Off Topic Thread Discussion", where we can all go to discuss the off-topic threads. ------------------ Dark God of Facetiousness and Vaguely Lobsterlike Things IP: Logged GeneralHardisson Member posted 04-12-2001 10:51 AM quote: Originally posted by Kwalish Kid: Ah, yes, I remember the great purge of... was that this year? Yes the Rules board was part of general discussion. I think, to make Colenel "I'm the real Gary Gygax" Hardisson happy, we should start a board called "Off Topic Thread Discussion", where we can all go to discuss the off-topic threads. How is it that Charwoman Gene and Teflon Billy start the threads, but somehow I become the focus of the ire? Also, it wasn't all the "I hate these threads" threads that caused the problem - it was all the myriad NEW threads started about the Industrial Revolution in FR, and the ones thanking each other for a great thread. Either people weren't paying attention, or just HAD to have their name on the "main" IR thread... ------------------ "If everybody is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking." - General George S. Patton IP: Logged GeneralHardisson Member posted 04-12-2001 10:55 AM BTW, I changed my handle because of this "who's Gary Gygax?" thing. I have tried to clear up the confusion wherever I saw it. However, even though I don't feel it's entirely fair to have to do it, I decided I might as well change the damned handle once and for all. It's not like I've been using it for quite a while or anything. Oh. Wait. I have. ------------------ "If everybody is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking." - General George S. Patton IP: Logged GeneralHardisson Member posted 04-12-2001 12:54 PM YES! I have won the argument! My perfect sense of what is and isn't correct has so flummoxed everyone that they were unable to reply, blasted by the light of perfect reason! Must've been when I pointed out I wasn't the one who started these threads. ------------------ "If everybody is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking." - General George S. Patton [This message has been edited by GeneralHardisson (edited 04-12-2001).] IP: Logged Kwalish Kid Member posted 04-12-2001 01:49 PM I hope you can hold on to that battlefield promotion, Hardisson. From where I'm looking, you're due for a dressing down. ------------------ Dark God of Facetiousness and Vaguely Lobsterlike Things IP: Logged Blood Jester Member posted 04-12-2001 03:15 PM quote: Originally posted by Psion: I'll throw in my two cents. While I do usually just step around the, ahem, babble (sorry guys, great fun, just don't have sufficient time or interest) splitting RPG forums into IC and OOC forums is a simple common sense move that declutters things and makes both types more readable. I really don't think the knee-jerk defensiveness on the issue is warranted. So you have my support. Two points: 1) A politely worded response to a strongly stated opinion that relates directly to oneself is not 'knee-jerk' anything. 2) The 'shouted' (i.e. all caps) statements by illithidkid and the-poster-formerly-known-as-ColonelHardisson seemed in need of a response. Thank you. Blood Jester IP: Logged GeneralHardisson Member posted 04-12-2001 03:32 PM Blood Jester - I wouldn't have used all caps if people hadn't kept acting as though I was saying the threads should never be started. People seem to read what they want to read; I second someone's thoughts about something, and in addition offer an innocuous suggestion, and suddenly people act as though I was wanting to shut down everything they wanted to do. If there had been any real evidence that others had actually read what was written by me and not gotten defensive BEFORE my all-caps post, then I wouldn't have posted all-caps. And I changed the handle because the confusion between Col_Pladoh and ColonelHardisson was getting ridiculous. ------------------ "If everybody is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking." - General George S. Patton IP: Logged Cyberzombie Member posted 04-12-2001 03:56 PM First off -- this is not a response to you, Hardison, so don't get upset on me. You can try to push us off the General Discussion. But ya won't succeed. We'll just come back and hijack all your threads and turn them into ROLEPLAYING THREADS. Heh heh heh. None of you will be able to stand it. Oh yes, I know how much all of you hate roleplaying. Can't stand the stuff. Well, tough! All of y'all may be anti-roleplaying, but we're going to do it anyway. So there. ------------------ Goddess of Undeath, Technology, and Sillyness! 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