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<blockquote data-quote="Edena_of_Neith" data-source="post: 1304703" data-attributes="member: 2020">(Post 7) The 2nd IRForrester &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member # 2760 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; posted December 02, 2001 09:42 PM&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; quote:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Originally posted by Rhialto the Marvellous:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; In fact, by your own admission, you ignored a present, definite threat to stop a&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; possible, indefinite one. The fact that you almost accidentally solved the problem does&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; not solve this--you both knowingly, and unknowningly endangered the world to chase&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; after your vendetta. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; ...&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but by the terms of your contract, the Humanoids&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; were supposed to forswear demon allies. Now, Iuz is, to my knowledge, a demon, and it&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; is revealed, has an outstanding alliance with the Humanoid nation. Does this violate&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; your contract? And how will you respond if it does?&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; You just like stirring up trouble, don't you? It helps when you're ignorant, I suppose. As you can see if&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; you read the Records of my people (i.e., the Archive), we were fairly certain that by crushing the elves&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; and destroying Evermeet, we would weaken the Weave sufficiently to stop the Illithid. It was a bit of a&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; gamble, but in war, nothing is certain. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; As far as Iuz is concerned -- as I said, we did not make any deals with him, as the Devils forbade it. At&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; one point, when I thought Toril was going to be destroyed, I toyed with the idea that we could leave&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Toril and move to Oerth. Even if those discussions had led to any sort of deal, it would not have&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; invalidated our contract with Madd -- which concerned only Toril, and the war with the Elves therein. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; But it is all moot, anyway. Passage to Oerth was impossible, and so none of it came to pass. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Forrester&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Peacemaker&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; *out-of-character note to myself: I really need to reread the records as well&nbsp; . I KNEW there was&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; something odd about the whole Iuz charge -- like, I don't remember ever getting any demon help,&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; ever.*&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; [ December 02, 2001: Message edited by: Forrester ]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Posts: 699 | Registered: Mar 2001&nbsp; |&nbsp; IP: Logged &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Edena_of_Neith &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member # 1235 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; posted December 02, 2001 09:48 PM&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; The elves of Northern Maztica are colonists from the world of Mystara who were brought in by one of&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; the warring powers during the Seven Years War.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; As the Elven Alliance was annihilated, both on Toril and in Realmspace, these elves - in deepest&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; secrecy - established themselves in the most remote place on the planet they could find: the northern&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; forests of Maztica.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; There, they have remained, maintaining their secrecy with the help of Bran's Druids in central Maztica,&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; and the help of the angels of Hope Island.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; They have grown greatly in number in that time, but their power - which was already great - has grown&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; much greater in the magic-rich atmosphere of Toril.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; They are typically elven, high elven.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; They greatly resent what was done to their brethren on this world, but for them it WAS something that&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; happened to another people, and not them; it is not a personal matter.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; They do not acknowledge the kender as being of their brethren, on a side note.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; They are not even close to the power level of the Humanoids, much less the Technomancy, but they&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; do wield enough power to cause a big splash, were they to be tempted into doing so.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; They have eschewed technology, and are medievil in their technological level, akin to the elves of&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Oerth. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Posts: 1566 | From: Michigan, United States | Registered: Jan 2001&nbsp; |&nbsp; IP: Logged &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Edena_of_Neith &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member # 1235 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; posted December 02, 2001 09:52 PM&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; The Chosen become annoyed, and the Lady from Waterdeep speaks:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Although, perhaps, you may feel it justified to center this discussion around the Humanoid emissary,&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; we do not feel thus.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Our grievance, with you, lies not just with the Humanoids, but with the Elves, the Druids, the&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Technomancy, the Magocracy, the Phaerimm, the City of Shade, the Scro, the Deep Illithid, and many&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; others.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; We have observed the emissaries of some of these powers smirking as you center your arguments&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; around the Humanoid emissary.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; We believe it is time you brought your complaints to the entire assemblage.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; She pauses, confers telepathically with her fellows, then speaks:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; We feel we have been answered by the Humanoid emissary.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; We will not require him to answer any further queries of ours.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Having been answered, we will judge him and the Humanoid Alliance based upon what has been said.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; If he wishes to speak further, either to you or to us, that is his right.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; We will not obligate him to, however.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Thank you.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; [ December 02, 2001: Message edited by: Edena_of_Neith ]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Posts: 1566 | From: Michigan, United States | Registered: Jan 2001&nbsp; |&nbsp; IP: Logged &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Blood Jester &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member # 1651 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; posted December 02, 2001 09:54 PM&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; *to the Chosen*&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;You forget, Forgiveness is but half of the equation. Without Repentance, forgiveness is plain foolishness.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;If you forgive the truly repentant, you may open up new possibilities. If you forgive the unrepentant,&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; you are simply dropping your shield as the axe-blow swings down.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; *shakes his head*&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;No, that kind of forgiveness I will pass on.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; quote:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Originally posted by Forrester:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; *snicker*&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; We may be savage and bloodthirsty, but we have not made anyone submit to our yolks,&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; or even the whites! &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Your words bleed racism. &quot;Savage and bloodthirsty&quot; indeed. That is how you see us,&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; and that is how we have always been seen. Unfairly. The Technomancy chose to look at&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; us with more open eyes -- and that is why they are here, and your friends the elves are&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; not. You would do well to keep that in mind, Druid.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Forrester&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Peacemaker&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; *looks disdainfully on Forrester*&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;You can not claim as racism what is centuries of fact. Even the most open and loving of species could&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; point to innumerable examples of cruelty and unprovoked violence over the centuries. Save your political&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; double-talk for the easily impressed.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;And, you follow up your claim to be 'unfairly' accused of being bloodthirsty savages by proudly pointing to the&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; genocide of an entire peoples, and then continuing by adding impotent threats against someone who has&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; offered no threats to you, other then to you bloated ego.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; *smiles grimly*&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;You have truly proven your point in a most scholarly fashion, I see I need say no more.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; *turns back to the Chosen*&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;I am old, but not so old as to be senile enough to offer forgiveness to those who do not wish it. Again I say,&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; I'll pass.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Serran&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; [edit code]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; [ December 02, 2001: Message edited by: Blood Jester ]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; --------------------&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Laugh 'til you die.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Posts: 402 | From: Fairfield, CT, USA | Registered: Jan 2001&nbsp; |&nbsp; IP: Logged &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Rhialto the&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Marvellous &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member # 4171 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; posted December 02, 2001 10:04 PM&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Rhialto listens to Forrester for a second, than sighs.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; As for your first claim, it seems Iuz does not agree with you.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; As for your second--I have perused what must have been a more...neutral source. By my recollection,&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; you ignored the illithids to go after the elves, then, after this stopped the illithid plot, declared that&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; you had known this would happen all along.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Here Rhialto waves his hand casually.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; But this is, of course, a matter for historians, and not humble mages from other worlds... &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Posts: 122 | Registered: Apr 2001&nbsp; |&nbsp; IP: Logged &nbsp; &nbsp; All times are US Central Time &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 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&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; » Hello, Edena_of_Neith [ log out ] &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; EN World Messageboards&nbsp;&nbsp; » Bits N Pieces&nbsp;&nbsp; » In Character&nbsp;&nbsp; » (IR) All involved in the Gnomish IR: You are&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; summoned by the Chosen to face charges (Page 5) &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; This topic is comprised of pages:&nbsp; 1&nbsp; 2&nbsp; 3&nbsp; 4&nbsp; 5&nbsp; 6&nbsp; 7&nbsp; 8&nbsp; 9&nbsp; 10&nbsp; 11&nbsp; 12&nbsp; 13&nbsp; 14&nbsp; 15&nbsp; 16&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Author &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Topic: (IR) All involved in the Gnomish IR: You are summoned by the Chosen to face charges &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Blood Jester &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member # 1651 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; posted December 02, 2001 10:06 PM&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; [OOC - Is the Humanoid rep's blatant consorting with the two MOST evil groups in creation (demons&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; and devils) as well as his obvious intent to bring slaughter to an entire new crystal sphere (Oerth)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; having ANY impact on the Chosen?]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; --------------------&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Laugh 'til you die.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Posts: 402 | From: Fairfield, CT, USA | Registered: Jan 2001&nbsp; |&nbsp; IP: Logged &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Edena_of_Neith &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member # 1235 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; posted December 02, 2001 10:13 PM&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; ((Yes, it is. However, they are frightened, the Chosen, for they have looked into the future using&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; chronomancy. The Chosen are willing to make great compromises to change the future they have&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; witnessed by their magic.))&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; The Lady from Waterdeep regards the Faerie Ambassador who has just spoken, and she speaks:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; You are arguing from an unfair perspective, and you know this.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; If you do not compromise, if you do not bend, if you choose to walk away from this Court as it pleases&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; you, naught will happen to the Realm of Faerie.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; If the Humanoid emissary does not compromise, does not bend, or if he chooses to walk away from&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; this Court as he pleases, his people will suffer for it - and not necessarily by our hands, but because of&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; the realities of this world.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; You speak of repentence.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; We, the Chosen, acknowledge that in the Case Example, Araunshanee would not have repented.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; We would argue that the Seldarine could have forcibly incarcerated her, until such time as it betook her&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; to repent, even were it a thousand millennia.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; And the evil that she would later commit as Lolth would, thus, still not have happened.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; However, you are not in a position to incarcerate the whole of the Humanoid race, or any and all of the&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; inhabitants of Toril whose actions have displeased you.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Even were you to be in the right, to do such a thing.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; We do not believe that part of the analogy fits: we believe incarceration of Aranshanee might have&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; been right; incarceration of all those upon Toril who displease the Faerie is not right.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Aside from the impossibility of said incarceration, you speak from the point of view of emotion.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; You ask for an emotional response from those who have committed what you deem to be wrongs&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; done: repentence is an emotional state of affairs.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; You ask for the impossible, for the Humanoids will decide whether or not they repent, as will all the&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; others.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Yet, now would you walk away from this Court, giving heed only to emotion and not to any expediency?&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; From this World of Toril have come many marvels that grace the World of Faerie.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; From the ranks of the women of this world have come many of Faerie's greatest champions.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; From the ranks of the women of this world have come many of Faerie's greatest guardians and&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; priestesses.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; From the woodlands and glades, the grottos and wide seas, of this world have come beings of wonder&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; and grace to enter the Realm of Faerie, and their presence has brought joy and enrichment to those&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; therein.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; And from this world comes the Weave, which is intwined with the magic of the Realm of Faerie.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; The Weave is strengthened and maintained by the presence of Faerie and the Gates to Faerie, but it&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; in turn grants power to the Realm of Faerie in return. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; This will be lost, if the Weave is lost.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Will you give in to emotion, and toss aside expediency, because you cannot control the emotions of&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; others?&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; The burden of your own emotions is heavy, we know, and you must bear it.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; And overcome it, if you would forgive.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; The choice, of course, is yours.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; [ December 02, 2001: Message edited by: Edena_of_Neith ]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Posts: 1566 | From: Michigan, United States | Registered: Jan 2001&nbsp; |&nbsp; IP: Logged &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Aloïsius &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member # 2977 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; posted December 02, 2001 10:24 PM&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; (OoC) I'm a little confused. My post about forgivness was intended to be Hazedil's saying. Now, after&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; reading Edena's post, I wonder if Songe of Lathander is &quot;canon&quot;, cause the original post in the old&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; thread was somewhat late. If yes, I'm not sure I can play the mystaran elves (living in North Maztica)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; and the Lathanderite elves and half-elves (living in aerial forest in north Maztica) &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Posts: 345 | From: Montpellier, France | Registered: Mar 2001&nbsp; |&nbsp; IP: Logged &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Rhialto the&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Marvellous &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member # 4171 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; posted December 02, 2001 10:27 PM&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Rhialto turns to the Chosen, and gives a sweeping bow.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; My dear sirs and madams, I am one you can place generally on the side of expediency. At the early&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; hours of the morning especially.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; But I am also one recognizes certain other concepts, among them 'justice'.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Take for instance, your earlier example. Is it not possible that Araunshanee imprisoned, might have&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; only grown even darker of heart, and then faked her own repentence? And having done so preceeded&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; to spew her venom with even more devestating effects, causing even greater evil than her exile did?&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; It is often futile to debate the past, good lords.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Often to those hurt, it is best to see their assailant hurt as well. The law exists so that this can be&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; done in a fair, and orderly fashion, so that justice, not malice, can prevail.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Now, I do not say I agree with all the Faerie have stated, or done. Indeed, I cannot help but think that&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; much of this hardship could have been avoided had they been more flexible. But I understand their&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; point of view. Do not condemn them out of hand, I ask. They mourn, and this clouds their judgement. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Posts: 122 | Registered: Apr 2001&nbsp; |&nbsp; IP: Logged &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Edena_of_Neith &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member # 1235 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; posted December 02, 2001 10:34 PM&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Don't worry, Aloisius.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Pick a power, any power you want, and play it.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; That is what everyone did in the original IR thread. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Posts: 1566 | From: Michigan, United States | Registered: Jan 2001&nbsp; |&nbsp; IP: Logged &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Blood Jester &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member # 1651 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; posted December 02, 2001 10:36 PM&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; *sadly shaking his head*&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;You mistake me. This is not a case of vengance, nor of expediency, nor of anger. It is simple survival, which&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; you can not offer. You think you can, but you can not.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;It is the most natural thing there is to value the lives of ones own cubs over the lives of those which would&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; kill them. Or even over ones own life. The Faeries stay away to survive. Period. You can not have it both&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; ways. You can not coat yourself in poison and then demand an embrace.'&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;Forgivness is a gift, not a right that ANYONE can ever demand, only sometimes earn. If there is no intent to&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; change this course of doom some of you have set this world upon, no Repentance, there can be no&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; forgiveness. And the Fey will not throw away their entire races solely to keep you company.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;I am sorry for you, but not for my position.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Serran&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; [edit - gotta type slower]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; [ December 02, 2001: Message edited by: Blood Jester ]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; --------------------&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Laugh 'til you die.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Posts: 402 | From: Fairfield, CT, USA | Registered: Jan 2001&nbsp; |&nbsp; IP: Logged &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; johnbrown &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member # 3531 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; posted December 02, 2001 10:38 PM&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; [OOC ? Well, goodnight everyone, I have to work tomorrow and need my beauty sleep. I will check in&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; tomorrow morning --]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; --------------------&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; After all, it is all about having fun .....&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Posts: 67 | From: St. Louis, MO, USA | Registered: Mar 2001&nbsp; |&nbsp; IP: Logged &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Edena_of_Neith &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member # 1235 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; posted December 02, 2001 10:50 PM&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; The Chosen look at each other, solemn and in silence, for long moments, conversing telepathically.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Then they look to Rhialto.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; The beautiful lady Chosen from Waterdeep speaks, in a surprisingly remorseful tone:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Justice.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; A noble concept.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Awards for good deeds, punishment for bad deeds.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Good fate and fortune to the worthy, ill fate and fortune to the undeserving.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; However, who dictates who is right, and who is wrong? Who is worthy, and who is not?&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; We brought you here under the pretext that we, the Chosen, would make those decisions for all of&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; you, and dispense justice as we saw fit.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; We lied.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; We lied, sending you a hostile provocation in the hopes that it would cause you to attend this meeting,&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; for we did not believe a peaceful invitation to a peaceful meeting would provide incentive for you to&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; attend.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Would you have come, all of you, to assemble before us, hating the sight of many of the others in&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; this room, wishing to kill them where they stand, had we simply asked you for a peaceful meeting?&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; However, it is not our privilege to dispense justice.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Even the Chosen of Mystra cannot do that - in fact, the Chosen of Mystra, in especial, cannot do that.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Now that you ARE gathered here, though, we may hold this council, perhaps the world's last, and share&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; what thoughts that we might, while time is still left to us to do so.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; You speak of justice.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Who's justice?&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; The justice of the elves, who would see the humanoids exterminated?&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; The justice of the humanoids, who would see the elves exterminated?&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; The justice of the githyanki, who would see the illithid and neo illithid exterminated.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; The justice of the illithid, who would see all other races subjugated?&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; The justice of the drow, who also would see all other races subjugated?&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; The justice of those who would enforce a peace that was strictly on their terms - accept that peace, or&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; die?&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Or perhaps (she smiles wryly) you would accept kender justice, and perhaps kender should arbitrate&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; this Court?&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; The City of Shade believes it just that Netheril be restored and the world bow to it as it once did.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; The Phaerimm believe the surface dwellers are vermin, a destructive vermin like lice in one's hair, to&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; be removed.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Who's justice do you advocate? &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Who's?&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Who's? &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Posts: 1566 | From: Michigan, United States | Registered: Jan 2001&nbsp; |&nbsp; IP: Logged</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Edena_of_Neith, post: 1304703, member: 2020"] [b](Post 7) The 2nd IR[/b] Forrester Member Member # 2760 posted December 02, 2001 09:42 PM quote: Originally posted by Rhialto the Marvellous: In fact, by your own admission, you ignored a present, definite threat to stop a possible, indefinite one. The fact that you almost accidentally solved the problem does not solve this--you both knowingly, and unknowningly endangered the world to chase after your vendetta. ... Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but by the terms of your contract, the Humanoids were supposed to forswear demon allies. Now, Iuz is, to my knowledge, a demon, and it is revealed, has an outstanding alliance with the Humanoid nation. Does this violate your contract? And how will you respond if it does? You just like stirring up trouble, don't you? It helps when you're ignorant, I suppose. As you can see if you read the Records of my people (i.e., the Archive), we were fairly certain that by crushing the elves and destroying Evermeet, we would weaken the Weave sufficiently to stop the Illithid. It was a bit of a gamble, but in war, nothing is certain. As far as Iuz is concerned -- as I said, we did not make any deals with him, as the Devils forbade it. At one point, when I thought Toril was going to be destroyed, I toyed with the idea that we could leave Toril and move to Oerth. Even if those discussions had led to any sort of deal, it would not have invalidated our contract with Madd -- which concerned only Toril, and the war with the Elves therein. But it is all moot, anyway. Passage to Oerth was impossible, and so none of it came to pass. Forrester Peacemaker *out-of-character note to myself: I really need to reread the records as well . I KNEW there was something odd about the whole Iuz charge -- like, I don't remember ever getting any demon help, ever.* [ December 02, 2001: Message edited by: Forrester ] Posts: 699 | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged Edena_of_Neith Member Member # 1235 posted December 02, 2001 09:48 PM The elves of Northern Maztica are colonists from the world of Mystara who were brought in by one of the warring powers during the Seven Years War. As the Elven Alliance was annihilated, both on Toril and in Realmspace, these elves - in deepest secrecy - established themselves in the most remote place on the planet they could find: the northern forests of Maztica. There, they have remained, maintaining their secrecy with the help of Bran's Druids in central Maztica, and the help of the angels of Hope Island. They have grown greatly in number in that time, but their power - which was already great - has grown much greater in the magic-rich atmosphere of Toril. They are typically elven, high elven. They greatly resent what was done to their brethren on this world, but for them it WAS something that happened to another people, and not them; it is not a personal matter. They do not acknowledge the kender as being of their brethren, on a side note. They are not even close to the power level of the Humanoids, much less the Technomancy, but they do wield enough power to cause a big splash, were they to be tempted into doing so. They have eschewed technology, and are medievil in their technological level, akin to the elves of Oerth. Posts: 1566 | From: Michigan, United States | Registered: Jan 2001 | IP: Logged Edena_of_Neith Member Member # 1235 posted December 02, 2001 09:52 PM The Chosen become annoyed, and the Lady from Waterdeep speaks: Although, perhaps, you may feel it justified to center this discussion around the Humanoid emissary, we do not feel thus. Our grievance, with you, lies not just with the Humanoids, but with the Elves, the Druids, the Technomancy, the Magocracy, the Phaerimm, the City of Shade, the Scro, the Deep Illithid, and many others. We have observed the emissaries of some of these powers smirking as you center your arguments around the Humanoid emissary. We believe it is time you brought your complaints to the entire assemblage. She pauses, confers telepathically with her fellows, then speaks: We feel we have been answered by the Humanoid emissary. We will not require him to answer any further queries of ours. Having been answered, we will judge him and the Humanoid Alliance based upon what has been said. If he wishes to speak further, either to you or to us, that is his right. We will not obligate him to, however. Thank you. [ December 02, 2001: Message edited by: Edena_of_Neith ] Posts: 1566 | From: Michigan, United States | Registered: Jan 2001 | IP: Logged Blood Jester Member Member # 1651 posted December 02, 2001 09:54 PM *to the Chosen* "You forget, Forgiveness is but half of the equation. Without Repentance, forgiveness is plain foolishness." "If you forgive the truly repentant, you may open up new possibilities. If you forgive the unrepentant, you are simply dropping your shield as the axe-blow swings down." *shakes his head* "No, that kind of forgiveness I will pass on." quote: Originally posted by Forrester: *snicker* We may be savage and bloodthirsty, but we have not made anyone submit to our yolks, or even the whites! Your words bleed racism. "Savage and bloodthirsty" indeed. That is how you see us, and that is how we have always been seen. Unfairly. The Technomancy chose to look at us with more open eyes -- and that is why they are here, and your friends the elves are not. You would do well to keep that in mind, Druid. Forrester Peacemaker *looks disdainfully on Forrester* [i]"You can not claim as racism what is centuries of fact. Even the most open and loving of species could point to innumerable examples of cruelty and unprovoked violence over the centuries. Save your political double-talk for the easily impressed." "And, you follow up your claim to be 'unfairly' accused of being bloodthirsty savages by proudly pointing to the genocide of an entire peoples, and then continuing by adding impotent threats against someone who has offered no threats to you, other then to you bloated ego." *smiles grimly* "You have truly proven your point in a most scholarly fashion, I see I need say no more." *turns back to the Chosen* "I am old, but not so old as to be senile enough to offer forgiveness to those who do not wish it. Again I say, I'll pass." Serran [edit code] [ December 02, 2001: Message edited by: Blood Jester ] -------------------- Laugh 'til you die. Posts: 402 | From: Fairfield, CT, USA | Registered: Jan 2001 | IP: Logged Rhialto the Marvellous Member Member # 4171 posted December 02, 2001 10:04 PM Rhialto listens to Forrester for a second, than sighs. As for your first claim, it seems Iuz does not agree with you. As for your second--I have perused what must have been a more...neutral source. By my recollection, you ignored the illithids to go after the elves, then, after this stopped the illithid plot, declared that you had known this would happen all along. Here Rhialto waves his hand casually. But this is, of course, a matter for historians, and not humble mages from other worlds... Posts: 122 | Registered: Apr 2001 | IP: Logged All times are US Central Time This topic is comprised of pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 Hop To: Contact Us | EN World - D&D/d20 News & Reviews Powered by Infopop Corporation Ultimate Bulletin BoardTM 6.1.0.3 my profile | register | search | faq | forum home » Hello, Edena_of_Neith [ log out ] EN World Messageboards » Bits N Pieces » In Character » (IR) All involved in the Gnomish IR: You are summoned by the Chosen to face charges (Page 5) This topic is comprised of pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 Author Topic: (IR) All involved in the Gnomish IR: You are summoned by the Chosen to face charges Blood Jester Member Member # 1651 posted December 02, 2001 10:06 PM [OOC - Is the Humanoid rep's blatant consorting with the two MOST evil groups in creation (demons and devils) as well as his obvious intent to bring slaughter to an entire new crystal sphere (Oerth) having ANY impact on the Chosen?] -------------------- Laugh 'til you die. Posts: 402 | From: Fairfield, CT, USA | Registered: Jan 2001 | IP: Logged Edena_of_Neith Member Member # 1235 posted December 02, 2001 10:13 PM ((Yes, it is. However, they are frightened, the Chosen, for they have looked into the future using chronomancy. The Chosen are willing to make great compromises to change the future they have witnessed by their magic.)) The Lady from Waterdeep regards the Faerie Ambassador who has just spoken, and she speaks: You are arguing from an unfair perspective, and you know this. If you do not compromise, if you do not bend, if you choose to walk away from this Court as it pleases you, naught will happen to the Realm of Faerie. If the Humanoid emissary does not compromise, does not bend, or if he chooses to walk away from this Court as he pleases, his people will suffer for it - and not necessarily by our hands, but because of the realities of this world. You speak of repentence. We, the Chosen, acknowledge that in the Case Example, Araunshanee would not have repented. We would argue that the Seldarine could have forcibly incarcerated her, until such time as it betook her to repent, even were it a thousand millennia. And the evil that she would later commit as Lolth would, thus, still not have happened. However, you are not in a position to incarcerate the whole of the Humanoid race, or any and all of the inhabitants of Toril whose actions have displeased you. Even were you to be in the right, to do such a thing. We do not believe that part of the analogy fits: we believe incarceration of Aranshanee might have been right; incarceration of all those upon Toril who displease the Faerie is not right. Aside from the impossibility of said incarceration, you speak from the point of view of emotion. You ask for an emotional response from those who have committed what you deem to be wrongs done: repentence is an emotional state of affairs. You ask for the impossible, for the Humanoids will decide whether or not they repent, as will all the others. Yet, now would you walk away from this Court, giving heed only to emotion and not to any expediency? From this World of Toril have come many marvels that grace the World of Faerie. From the ranks of the women of this world have come many of Faerie's greatest champions. From the ranks of the women of this world have come many of Faerie's greatest guardians and priestesses. From the woodlands and glades, the grottos and wide seas, of this world have come beings of wonder and grace to enter the Realm of Faerie, and their presence has brought joy and enrichment to those therein. And from this world comes the Weave, which is intwined with the magic of the Realm of Faerie. The Weave is strengthened and maintained by the presence of Faerie and the Gates to Faerie, but it in turn grants power to the Realm of Faerie in return. This will be lost, if the Weave is lost. Will you give in to emotion, and toss aside expediency, because you cannot control the emotions of others? The burden of your own emotions is heavy, we know, and you must bear it. And overcome it, if you would forgive. The choice, of course, is yours. [ December 02, 2001: Message edited by: Edena_of_Neith ] Posts: 1566 | From: Michigan, United States | Registered: Jan 2001 | IP: Logged Aloïsius Member Member # 2977 posted December 02, 2001 10:24 PM (OoC) I'm a little confused. My post about forgivness was intended to be Hazedil's saying. Now, after reading Edena's post, I wonder if Songe of Lathander is "canon", cause the original post in the old thread was somewhat late. If yes, I'm not sure I can play the mystaran elves (living in North Maztica) and the Lathanderite elves and half-elves (living in aerial forest in north Maztica) Posts: 345 | From: Montpellier, France | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged Rhialto the Marvellous Member Member # 4171 posted December 02, 2001 10:27 PM Rhialto turns to the Chosen, and gives a sweeping bow. My dear sirs and madams, I am one you can place generally on the side of expediency. At the early hours of the morning especially. But I am also one recognizes certain other concepts, among them 'justice'. Take for instance, your earlier example. Is it not possible that Araunshanee imprisoned, might have only grown even darker of heart, and then faked her own repentence? And having done so preceeded to spew her venom with even more devestating effects, causing even greater evil than her exile did? It is often futile to debate the past, good lords. Often to those hurt, it is best to see their assailant hurt as well. The law exists so that this can be done in a fair, and orderly fashion, so that justice, not malice, can prevail. Now, I do not say I agree with all the Faerie have stated, or done. Indeed, I cannot help but think that much of this hardship could have been avoided had they been more flexible. But I understand their point of view. Do not condemn them out of hand, I ask. They mourn, and this clouds their judgement. Posts: 122 | Registered: Apr 2001 | IP: Logged Edena_of_Neith Member Member # 1235 posted December 02, 2001 10:34 PM Don't worry, Aloisius. Pick a power, any power you want, and play it. That is what everyone did in the original IR thread. Posts: 1566 | From: Michigan, United States | Registered: Jan 2001 | IP: Logged Blood Jester Member Member # 1651 posted December 02, 2001 10:36 PM *sadly shaking his head* "You mistake me. This is not a case of vengance, nor of expediency, nor of anger. It is simple survival, which you can not offer. You think you can, but you can not." "It is the most natural thing there is to value the lives of ones own cubs over the lives of those which would kill them. Or even over ones own life. The Faeries stay away to survive. Period. You can not have it both ways. You can not coat yourself in poison and then demand an embrace.' "Forgivness is a gift, not a right that ANYONE can ever demand, only sometimes earn. If there is no intent to change this course of doom some of you have set this world upon, no Repentance, there can be no forgiveness. And the Fey will not throw away their entire races solely to keep you company." "I am sorry for you, but not for my position." Serran [edit - gotta type slower] [ December 02, 2001: Message edited by: Blood Jester ] -------------------- Laugh 'til you die. Posts: 402 | From: Fairfield, CT, USA | Registered: Jan 2001 | IP: Logged johnbrown Member Member # 3531 posted December 02, 2001 10:38 PM [OOC ? Well, goodnight everyone, I have to work tomorrow and need my beauty sleep. I will check in tomorrow morning --] -------------------- After all, it is all about having fun ..... Posts: 67 | From: St. Louis, MO, USA | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged Edena_of_Neith Member Member # 1235 posted December 02, 2001 10:50 PM The Chosen look at each other, solemn and in silence, for long moments, conversing telepathically. Then they look to Rhialto. The beautiful lady Chosen from Waterdeep speaks, in a surprisingly remorseful tone: Justice. A noble concept. Awards for good deeds, punishment for bad deeds. Good fate and fortune to the worthy, ill fate and fortune to the undeserving. However, who dictates who is right, and who is wrong? Who is worthy, and who is not? We brought you here under the pretext that we, the Chosen, would make those decisions for all of you, and dispense justice as we saw fit. We lied. We lied, sending you a hostile provocation in the hopes that it would cause you to attend this meeting, for we did not believe a peaceful invitation to a peaceful meeting would provide incentive for you to attend. Would you have come, all of you, to assemble before us, hating the sight of many of the others in this room, wishing to kill them where they stand, had we simply asked you for a peaceful meeting? However, it is not our privilege to dispense justice. Even the Chosen of Mystra cannot do that - in fact, the Chosen of Mystra, in especial, cannot do that. Now that you ARE gathered here, though, we may hold this council, perhaps the world's last, and share what thoughts that we might, while time is still left to us to do so. You speak of justice. Who's justice? The justice of the elves, who would see the humanoids exterminated? The justice of the humanoids, who would see the elves exterminated? The justice of the githyanki, who would see the illithid and neo illithid exterminated. The justice of the illithid, who would see all other races subjugated? The justice of the drow, who also would see all other races subjugated? The justice of those who would enforce a peace that was strictly on their terms - accept that peace, or die? Or perhaps (she smiles wryly) you would accept kender justice, and perhaps kender should arbitrate this Court? The City of Shade believes it just that Netheril be restored and the world bow to it as it once did. The Phaerimm believe the surface dwellers are vermin, a destructive vermin like lice in one's hair, to be removed. Who's justice do you advocate? Who's? Who's? Posts: 1566 | From: Michigan, United States | Registered: Jan 2001 | IP: Logged[/i] [/QUOTE]

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