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<blockquote data-quote="Edena_of_Neith" data-source="post: 1304731" data-attributes="member: 2020"><p><strong>(Post 14) The Second IR</strong></p><p></p><p>Blood Jester </p><p> Member </p><p> Member # 1651 </p><p> posted December 03, 2001 10:29 PM </p><p></p><p> *raises eyebrow at Valkys*</p><p></p><p> "I accept that it is your nature, and do respect The Wild Hunt, but I have yet to eat today, so if you could</p><p> restrain your imagery just a bit?"</p><p></p><p> --------------------</p><p></p><p> Laugh 'til you die.</p><p></p><p></p><p> Posts: 402 | From: Fairfield, CT, USA | Registered: Jan 2001 | IP: Logged </p><p></p><p> johnbrown </p><p> Member </p><p> Member # 3531 </p><p> posted December 03, 2001 10:45 PM </p><p></p><p> Iuz slowly claps, a smirk creeps across his lips?.</p><p></p><p> Well, isn?t this just precious. A few honeyed words from Mystra?s godlings, and a dead elf and everyone</p><p> one is just willing to forget old grievances and come together in peace an harmony. It just about</p><p> brings a tear to my eye?.</p><p></p><p> BAH!!</p><p></p><p> And how long will this Utopia last? A generation? Two? Not happy with the last death toll; is that it?</p><p> Want to rest for a while, produce even more offspring and then try for a larger tally? Silly mortals, I</p><p> think that you are forgetting something?.and this might be the only thing the devils, and the demons</p><p> that I represent, agree upon. At your core?at the core of each and every one of your mortal</p><p> hearts?you are all evil. That is correct?EVIL! Do not deny it. Oh, a small few you might be able to</p><p> suppress it for a while, even perhaps purge it completely, but overall, as a whole, you all?elf, dwarf,</p><p> gnome, human, and humanoid?are all evil. You all lust, you covet, you hate?oh yes, you hate?even</p><p> now with your own deaths and the death of this pathetic mud ball that you all call home being made</p><p> clear, many of you sit around plotting and scheming offering olive branches with one hand while your</p><p> other conceals a dagger. It is this evil that allows the powers Infernal and Abyssal to snatch your souls</p><p> so easily. Believe me, I can taste the hate on each one of your souls, and I say it tastes good.</p><p></p><p> I say this. Only the strong, should survive. Only the strong should rule, and deep within all of your</p><p> hearts, you know I speak the truth. You all covet leadership and dominion, as you should, as is right.</p><p> The Humanoids, look at them, their origins were humble, pathetic even. Yet now they stand before</p><p> you strong, capable of enforcing their will if they desire. They were beneath all of you, now they are</p><p> more powerful than most of you here. This is right; this is how all of you should behave. You all want</p><p> the power. You all want to seize it. Even those of you who are too weak to desire dominion will try to</p><p> grab it, if only in self-preservation.</p><p></p><p> Can?t you see, there can never be a lasting peace; at best all you can do is postpone the inevitable.</p><p> Armageddon will happen. The Chosen cannot prevent it; a host of Solars cannot prevent it. It is your</p><p> nature. You will go to war again, and it will be worse than it was before. You will destroy yourselves.</p><p> Why postpone the evitable? Do it, I say. Establish once and for all the pecking order of Toril! Will</p><p> many of the weak and unfit be removed from your "herds"? Most assuredly. But as assuredly, you</p><p> mortals are like weeds, difficult to eliminate completely. Those who survive will have earned the right</p><p> to survive.</p><p></p><p> And for those of you who deny the truth of my words, I say you are simply frightened sheep and are</p><p> already proving yourselves unfit to survive.</p><p></p><p> Iuz then leans back into The Throne Of Skulls.</p><p></p><p> --------------------</p><p></p><p> After all, it is all about having fun .....</p><p></p><p></p><p> Posts: 67 | From: St. Louis, MO, USA | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged </p><p></p><p> Edena_of_Neith </p><p> Member </p><p> Member # 1235 </p><p> posted December 03, 2001 10:48 PM </p><p></p><p> The dwarven ambassador speaks up:</p><p></p><p> We believe the Technocratic Confederation is a good idea, and we endorse it.</p><p> The dwarves, would join this Confederation.</p><p></p><p> - - -</p><p></p><p> The gnomish ambassador speaks up:</p><p></p><p> We wish to remain a neutral power, as we always were.</p><p> We wish no hostilities with anyone, which means we cannot ally with anyone, for all of you have</p><p> enemies.</p><p></p><p> - - -</p><p></p><p> The phaerimm speaks up</p><p></p><p> Without the Faerie, you're done for.</p><p> And animals do not rule.</p><p> Intelligent beings rule.</p><p></p><p> - - -</p><p></p><p> The ambassador from the City of Shade speaks up:</p><p></p><p> We believe it would be best if the angels were left out of this.</p><p> We do not believe the World Court should be on Hope Island.</p><p> Why?</p><p> The politics of the Planars.</p><p> Compared to their politics and problems, ours are nothing.</p><p></p><p> We cannot accept joining the Technocracy.</p><p> That would be like your modern great city of Waterdeep being ruled from a small town.</p><p> The wise should be the rulers, and it takes great wisdom to become an archmage or archmagistress.</p><p> The unwise do not last long in the arcane arts.</p><p> We have the wisdom, the strength, and the determination to truly unite Toril, to make your dream of</p><p> technocracy succeed.</p><p> All we ask is that you allow us the chance.</p><p></p><p> If you won't, then we will simply remain neutral.</p><p> We have no quarrel with the Technocracy.</p><p></p><p> - - -</p><p></p><p> The drow ambassador speaks up:</p><p></p><p> When the war starts, and the war WILL start - you fools, the Deep Illithid are getting ready to blot out</p><p> the sun, and here you sit babbling! - we will not be here.</p><p> Once the war is concluded, we will simply step in to fill the void, and there will be your world peace.</p><p></p><p> But, let's assume for a moment that your Technocracy idea is a good one - it is sacrilege, but let's</p><p> humor you:</p><p></p><p> What about our religion?</p><p> Assuming we DISOBEY Lolth, and decide to coexist with your religions, and you, and we do not strike</p><p> when sacrilege is uttered against Lolth ...</p><p></p><p> Our religion involves the sacrifice of living beings, and it involves necromantic rituals, and it involves a</p><p> lot of very secret things that I shall not go into.</p><p></p><p> Would your Technocracy tolerate our sacrifice of living beings?</p><p> I think not.</p><p> Would your Technocracy tolerate us wearing the tokens of our faith, such as our whips?</p><p> I think not.</p><p> Would your Technocracy tolerate our rituals and ceremonies?</p><p> Probably not.</p><p></p><p> We know you for what you are: you desire power and dominance just like we do, and your government</p><p> would be just as oppressive and deadly as the illithid or the aboleth.</p><p></p><p> - - -</p><p></p><p> The scro representative arrives, just in time to hear about the elven Fleets of Vengeance.</p><p> The response is pretty abrupt:</p><p></p><p> THE ELVES ARE PREPARING WHAT?????</p><p></p><p> - - -</p><p></p><p> The Githyanki representative comments:</p><p></p><p> We think that, instead of a Commonwealth, there should be a Queen ruling over the Technocracy.</p><p> We like your idea, Reprisal, but we believe one, strong, central authority is best.</p><p> When power is divolved into councils and lesser individuals, it weakens the power of the nation to act</p><p> in times of crisis.</p><p></p><p> - - -</p><p></p><p> The kender representative sulks, and says:</p><p></p><p> I still believe the Angels could do it right, and I still believe everyone should give them the terrible</p><p> weapons.</p><p> And it would be nice if everyone was polite, and stopped acting like angry gully dwarves.</p><p></p><p> - - -</p><p></p><p> The Chosen look up, and the Chosen who is actual an undead - you can see right through her,</p><p> speaks:</p><p></p><p> I wish to address a misunderstanding of the Faerie and the Unseelie.</p><p> We have consulted Mystra on this matter, and we are absolutely sure of what we are about to say:</p><p></p><p> The evolvement of technology in this Crystal Sphere, Realmspace, will not diminish Faerie.</p><p> It may be true, in other Crystal Spheres, but it is not true here.</p><p> The concept of Technomancy - technology and magic combined - would have failed early on, in our</p><p> opinion.</p><p></p><p> Therefore, we conclude that the evolvement of tools - what everyone calls technology - in no way</p><p> signifies that the Faerie must depart.</p><p></p><p> We also know that the Faerie, or at least Gates to the Realm of Faerie, are required to keep the</p><p> Weave strong.</p><p></p><p> We believe the world is a much poorer place without the Faerie, regardless of whether others can figure</p><p> alternate ways of saving our world, and we, the Chosen, would welcome the Faerie back - we would also</p><p> welcome the Unseelie back, too, for they are a part of Faerie - were they to choose to return.</p><p></p><p> We do not condone or condemn the idea of a Commonwealth, whatever form it might take.</p><p> We will watch, and we will listen, and you will decide what manner of government you have, and not the</p><p> Chosen of Mystra.</p><p></p><p> We agree to the terms of the shade of Queen Amlaruil, and we expect her to give her Word in return</p><p> to us.</p><p></p><p> (Queen Amlaruil does.)</p><p></p><p> - - -</p><p></p><p> When Forrester has completed his statements, Queen Amlaruil looks at him, and her face is sad, and</p><p> hard too.</p><p> She speaks in her spectral voice:</p><p></p><p> All I ask, really, is that elves have their own realms, and are allowed to mingle freely with the other</p><p> races.</p><p> And that they are not persecuted, war is not made upon them.</p><p> That they have a chance to share in the beauty and grandeur that the Technocracy, Chosen,</p><p> NeoIllithid, and others will build.</p><p></p><p> That is all I ask.</p><p></p><p> If you will grant that, I will restrain the elven fleets, and I and my watchnorns will compell them to</p><p> accept my terms.</p><p> My terms will be very bitter to them, for they seek vengeance and destruction, and I shall demand</p><p> they cease all hostilities, and behave themselves, and search in their hearts for not only forgiveness,</p><p> but repetence and apology for dark acts committed.</p><p></p><p> However, if you will not agree to my conditions, I will not restrain them.</p><p></p><p> I will restrain them from the Technocracy and from Hope Island, and from others who will agree to my</p><p> requests, but unless the Humanoids agree, I shall allow the elves to do with them as they will. </p><p></p><p> Posts: 1566 | From: Michigan, United States | Registered: Jan 2001 | IP: Logged </p><p></p><p> Edena_of_Neith </p><p> Member </p><p> Member # 1235 </p><p> posted December 03, 2001 11:02 PM </p><p></p><p> Upon hearing the words of Iuz, here are some responses:</p><p></p><p> The drow ambassador smiles warmly at Iuz, and applauds, then comments that someone here has</p><p> some sense after all.</p><p> The phaerimm ambassador nods it's agreement with Iuz.</p><p> The githyanki ambassador eyes Iuz warily.</p><p> The dwarven, gnomish, and halfling ambassadors glare at Iuz in fury, denunciations ready on their</p><p> lips.</p><p> The emissaries from Zakhara boo loudly, and then they throw their support behind Reprisal and his</p><p> Technocracy.</p><p> The emissary from Maztica just watches glumly, shaking his head.</p><p> The emissary from the Tuigan blinks, then wonders at these so called civilized people.</p><p></p><p> The Chosen, sigh, and some of them look weary (which is saying something, for the Chosen do not</p><p> tire)</p><p></p><p> The kender ambassador, however, becomes furious and he answers Iuz:</p><p></p><p> The kender are NOT evil! (It is true: It is physically impossible for a kender to have an evil alignment,</p><p> even by magic)</p><p> The kender are good people, and we think you're stupid!</p><p> You talk about the big, powerful people ruling us all, and that being right.</p><p> Well, I say that the nice people, the kind people, should rule.</p><p></p><p> When good people, nice people, rule, then everyone is happy and content.</p><p> Everyone has all the food they need, and good houses to live in, and everyone smiles and says hello</p><p> to you in the street and wants to sit and talk.</p><p></p><p> What is the matter with all of you?</p><p> Can't you see the obvious?</p><p> The good people, the nice people, should rule.</p><p></p><p> I don't know WHAT happened to him (points to Iuz.)</p><p> Maybe the gully dwarves tortured him, or the draconians brainwashed him, or perhaps he got lost in</p><p> the Blood Sea or something, but he's strange.</p><p> How could anyone think such strange thoughts as this Iuz? Why, even the gully dwarves don't think</p><p> that strangely!</p><p></p><p> (At this point, half the Court breaks up in roaring laughter.)</p><p></p><p> [ December 03, 2001: Message edited by: Edena_of_Neith ]</p><p></p><p></p><p> Posts: 1566 | From: Michigan, United States | Registered: Jan 2001 | IP: Logged </p><p></p><p> Reprisal </p><p> Member </p><p> Member # 2368 </p><p> posted December 03, 2001 11:02 PM </p><p></p><p></p><p> quote:</p><p></p><p> The Githyanki representative comments:</p><p></p><p> We think that, instead of a Commonwealth, there should be a Queen ruling over the</p><p> Technocracy.</p><p> We like your idea, Reprisal, but we believe one, strong, central authority is best.</p><p> When power is divolved into councils and lesser individuals, it weakens the power of the</p><p> nation to act in times of crisis.</p><p></p><p></p><p> "The Commonwealth is built upon the notions of plurality, democracy and equality. A Queen, or any</p><p> form of Monarch, is not conducive to that ideal. We did, however, toy with the idea of a Constitutional</p><p> Monarchy, where we would have a Royal Family having some say in the governance of the</p><p> Commonwealth, but we decided to go with an elected President. As far as weakening decisive power,</p><p> we do have a War Measures Act which, in times of crisis, will enable the Prime Minister, his Cabinet,</p><p> and the President and his Secretaries of State to rule by decree until the crisis is averted.</p><p></p><p> "You did not, however, comment on the possibility of a World Council. Would you be opposed to</p><p> joining such an organization?</p><p></p><p> "As far as the Drow are concerned, we do have sections in our Charter of Rights and Freedoms</p><p> explaining the Freedom of Religious and Philosophical Thought, but it does not take precedence over</p><p> the Right to Safety, Life and Existence. If you were to reform your religion in such a way to conform to</p><p> our Law, we would welcome any drow into the Commonwealth.</p><p></p><p> "I should speak of the details with the Chosen, as well as my compatriots here... If a World Council</p><p> was to be made, we would have to divide it up into branches of government: (1) A Security Council, (2)</p><p> a Legislative Assembly, and (3) a Neutral, and International Court. As of yet, we are open to</p><p> discussion on the make-up and structure of said institutions. This is all, of course, supposing that a</p><p> good portion, if not all, of the nations join such a Council.</p><p></p><p> "What say you all?"</p><p></p><p> --------------------</p><p></p><p> "Intelligence in chains loses in lucidity what it gains in intensity." - Albert Camus</p><p></p><p></p><p> Posts: 222 | From: Parksville, BC, Canada | Registered: Feb 2001 | IP: Logged </p><p></p><p> Edena_of_Neith </p><p> Member </p><p> Member # 1235 </p><p> posted December 03, 2001 11:18 PM </p><p></p><p> (Well, what does everyone say to Reprisal's statement?)</p><p></p><p> The shade of Amlaruil continues to look at Forrester.</p><p></p><p> The Phaerimm ambassador comments:</p><p></p><p> We the phaerimm are equal to the planars here, at least.</p><p> We the phaerimm are superior to all of the mortal races here.</p><p> We are so far superior to the animals here that they cannot even grasp the difference between us.</p><p> To allow animals to govern us is the height of absurdity: I literally cannot believe this was even</p><p> suggested.</p><p> I will continue to float here, and listen - and hope that one of you comes up with an INTELLIGENT</p><p> suggestion.</p><p></p><p> As for our opinion?</p><p> The phaerimm believe that all magic and technology should be taken from the animals, and the</p><p> animals should be corralled.</p><p> The NeoIllithid, the Deep Illithid if they will learn any sense, the Faerie, the Dragons, the Githyanki,</p><p> and the others who are worthy of consideration could then actually have a serious conference about the</p><p> future of Toril.</p><p></p><p> We would advocate a society where the government's primary purpose is defense against extraplanar</p><p> and otherworld threats - we are talking about REAL threats here, not this nonsense being discussed by</p><p> the animals.</p><p> Under this loose government, all beings would have their own individual domains, and all due freedom</p><p> to explore the secrets of the Weave.</p><p> Beings would be free to cooperate or not cooperate as they wished, and those who offended would be</p><p> killed by those they offended - no legal system is needed to resolve such disputes.</p><p> Magic would supply all the needs of the individual, so your so-called society in which you must rely on</p><p> each other for survival, would not exist in the world we propose.</p><p> We would not GIVE out our magic to the lesser races - magic is to be learned, and if they cannot learn,</p><p> they cannot survive. </p><p> Those that can learn, will survive, and can peacefully co-exist with us, the phaerimm.</p><p></p><p> Thus have we lived, and we have known peace amongst our own kind.</p><p> We have never needed your justice, for individual disputes are just that, and we do not need</p><p> complicated laws, for each of us works alone, and we do not need society, for we are self sufficient.</p><p></p><p> - - -</p><p></p><p> The dwarven ambassador comments:</p><p></p><p> I fully support the ambassador of the Technocratic Commonwealth, and the dwarves will support it</p><p> also.</p><p> There are no higher principals than the principals of justice and equality, and the Technocracy</p><p> advocates both.</p><p> We value life, and we cherish it while we have it, and the humans of the Technocracy share our values,</p><p> and we applaud them.</p><p> We believe in a firm and strong government, but a government that is also fair, just, and responsive</p><p> to the needs of it's people, and the Technocracy is advocating this.</p><p> We believe in freedom of religion, and we do not believe religions should kill people in dark rituals,</p><p> and we do not believe religions should persecute others (he glares at the drow emissary), and the</p><p> Technocracy stands with us on this.</p><p> We believe the World Forum is an idea of genius.</p><p> Did the Chosen not contrive to gather us all together, so that war could be averted by civilized</p><p> discussion?</p><p> A World Forum would allow this discussion to continue indefinitely, and thus wars could not start.</p><p> For all the nations of Toril and Realmspace could discuss their differences, and stamp wars out before</p><p> they started.</p><p></p><p> We euthusiastically endorse the Technocratic Commonwealth, and the dwarves will join this</p><p> Commonwealth - assuming we are allowed fair representation, obviously - when it is formed.</p><p></p><p> - - -</p><p></p><p> The Githyanki ambassador chimes in, and she says:</p><p></p><p> Sadly, I cannot agree.</p><p> When an enemy is bearing down on your city, you cannot turn the matter over to a committee.</p><p> You do not do so in your human cities. You have a standing commander who oversees all the city's</p><p> defenses, and she must be obeyed. You even kill those who disobey your commanders.</p><p> This system of a commander with a chain of military command protects your cities from attack, just as</p><p> it protects ours.</p><p></p><p> Why is our proposal so ridiculous? Why can it not be considered? (she is serious) What is so awful</p><p> about what we propose?</p><p> Why, is not your Silverymoon ruled by a Queen, and was it not one of your greatest cities prior to the</p><p> Seven Year War?</p><p> Was not the legendary city of Myth Drannor not under the rule of one elf, the Coronal Eltargrim, and</p><p> did it not become the greatest city in all elvendom?</p><p> For that matter, are not the Faerie ruled by Queen Titania?</p><p></p><p> We believe in the idea of a Technocracy.</p><p> We believe there should be an absolute monarch, a Queen - or a King if you prefer that.</p><p> This monarch should be selected according to wisdom, intelligence, determination, experience, and</p><p> should have a proven record of courage and combat.</p><p> Strong underlings should exist to aid the Queen in making decisions, passing laws, and exacting</p><p> justice.</p><p> A military chain of command should exist from the Queen on down to the common Knight.</p><p></p><p> - - -</p><p></p><p> At this point several of the Zakharan ambassadors half-heartedly throw their support behind Reprisal,</p><p> and endorse his proposal for a demoncratic Technocratic Commonwealth.</p><p> Heavily because their nations are already allied with the Technocracy, and out of fear of the other</p><p> powers present in the Court.</p><p></p><p> [ December 03, 2001: Message edited by: Edena_of_Neith ]</p><p></p><p></p><p> Posts: 1566 | From: Michigan, United States | Registered: Jan 2001 | IP: Logged </p><p></p><p> johnbrown </p><p> Member </p><p> Member # 3531 </p><p> posted December 03, 2001 11:28 PM </p><p></p><p> Iuz chuckles</p><p></p><p> At least the talking rat has more courage than his supposed betters. You go ahead and think whatever</p><p> you want of me. At least you have to courage to express your opinion. A very dangerous thing to do to</p><p> something that could crush you like a grape, but it more than most of the creatures here are capable</p><p> of. As far as the rest of you, call me names, and laugh at me if it makes you feel brave. Steel</p><p> yourselves against my words. Make your "peace" to spite me if you want. But I say this; spite is also a</p><p> violent and evil emotion. So, all you do is prove me right. </p><p></p><p> Iuz looks into the kender?s heart and creates some small trinket that he detects the kender would</p><p> desire. Iuz tosses it to the kender.</p><p></p><p> You amuse me kender, so take it so your family can tell the tale of how you stood down the mighty</p><p> god Iuz and survived to tell the tale.</p><p></p><p> [ December 03, 2001: Message edited by: johnbrown ]</p><p></p><p> --------------------</p><p></p><p> After all, it is all about having fun .....</p><p></p><p></p><p> Posts: 67 | From: St. Louis, MO, USA | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged </p><p></p><p> Semirhage </p><p> Member </p><p> Member # 8099 </p><p> posted December 03, 2001 11:33 PM </p><p></p><p> Valkys nods at Iuz's comment, but it is unclear whether he is in agreement. </p><p></p><p> He chuckles at the Kender's comment, assuming it is a joke, no matter how seriously it may or may</p><p> not have been intended.</p><p></p><p> When the Githyanki speaks he nods, then frowns, "In point of fact, the Faerie are ruled by Queen</p><p> Titania *AND* King Oberon. But I do agree that the fastest way to completely foul any good idea is to</p><p> give it to a committee. This assembly is a good example. Nothing seems to be getting done. </p><p></p><p> The idea of a representative body in which each faction has an equal say is certainly not a new idea. It</p><p> has merit. But I find myself in agreement with certain other members of our assembly. We are not all</p><p> equal, in number or in wisdom I suspect. But that is yet again beside the point. A monarchy cannot</p><p> succeed. No single power is strong enough to hold the throne uncontested. Therefore, a council will be</p><p> necessary.</p><p></p><p> And of course, Iuz will proven correct or incorrect based on your actions in this council. I look forward to</p><p> witnessing the Empirical evidence." </p><p></p><p> Posts: 31 | Registered: Oct 2001 | IP: Logged</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Edena_of_Neith, post: 1304731, member: 2020"] [b](Post 14) The Second IR[/b] Blood Jester Member Member # 1651 posted December 03, 2001 10:29 PM *raises eyebrow at Valkys* "I accept that it is your nature, and do respect The Wild Hunt, but I have yet to eat today, so if you could restrain your imagery just a bit?" -------------------- Laugh 'til you die. Posts: 402 | From: Fairfield, CT, USA | Registered: Jan 2001 | IP: Logged johnbrown Member Member # 3531 posted December 03, 2001 10:45 PM Iuz slowly claps, a smirk creeps across his lips?. Well, isn?t this just precious. A few honeyed words from Mystra?s godlings, and a dead elf and everyone one is just willing to forget old grievances and come together in peace an harmony. It just about brings a tear to my eye?. BAH!! And how long will this Utopia last? A generation? Two? Not happy with the last death toll; is that it? Want to rest for a while, produce even more offspring and then try for a larger tally? Silly mortals, I think that you are forgetting something?.and this might be the only thing the devils, and the demons that I represent, agree upon. At your core?at the core of each and every one of your mortal hearts?you are all evil. That is correct?EVIL! Do not deny it. Oh, a small few you might be able to suppress it for a while, even perhaps purge it completely, but overall, as a whole, you all?elf, dwarf, gnome, human, and humanoid?are all evil. You all lust, you covet, you hate?oh yes, you hate?even now with your own deaths and the death of this pathetic mud ball that you all call home being made clear, many of you sit around plotting and scheming offering olive branches with one hand while your other conceals a dagger. It is this evil that allows the powers Infernal and Abyssal to snatch your souls so easily. Believe me, I can taste the hate on each one of your souls, and I say it tastes good. I say this. Only the strong, should survive. Only the strong should rule, and deep within all of your hearts, you know I speak the truth. You all covet leadership and dominion, as you should, as is right. The Humanoids, look at them, their origins were humble, pathetic even. Yet now they stand before you strong, capable of enforcing their will if they desire. They were beneath all of you, now they are more powerful than most of you here. This is right; this is how all of you should behave. You all want the power. You all want to seize it. Even those of you who are too weak to desire dominion will try to grab it, if only in self-preservation. Can?t you see, there can never be a lasting peace; at best all you can do is postpone the inevitable. Armageddon will happen. The Chosen cannot prevent it; a host of Solars cannot prevent it. It is your nature. You will go to war again, and it will be worse than it was before. You will destroy yourselves. Why postpone the evitable? Do it, I say. Establish once and for all the pecking order of Toril! Will many of the weak and unfit be removed from your "herds"? Most assuredly. But as assuredly, you mortals are like weeds, difficult to eliminate completely. Those who survive will have earned the right to survive. And for those of you who deny the truth of my words, I say you are simply frightened sheep and are already proving yourselves unfit to survive. Iuz then leans back into The Throne Of Skulls. -------------------- After all, it is all about having fun ..... Posts: 67 | From: St. Louis, MO, USA | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged Edena_of_Neith Member Member # 1235 posted December 03, 2001 10:48 PM The dwarven ambassador speaks up: We believe the Technocratic Confederation is a good idea, and we endorse it. The dwarves, would join this Confederation. - - - The gnomish ambassador speaks up: We wish to remain a neutral power, as we always were. We wish no hostilities with anyone, which means we cannot ally with anyone, for all of you have enemies. - - - The phaerimm speaks up Without the Faerie, you're done for. And animals do not rule. Intelligent beings rule. - - - The ambassador from the City of Shade speaks up: We believe it would be best if the angels were left out of this. We do not believe the World Court should be on Hope Island. Why? The politics of the Planars. Compared to their politics and problems, ours are nothing. We cannot accept joining the Technocracy. That would be like your modern great city of Waterdeep being ruled from a small town. The wise should be the rulers, and it takes great wisdom to become an archmage or archmagistress. The unwise do not last long in the arcane arts. We have the wisdom, the strength, and the determination to truly unite Toril, to make your dream of technocracy succeed. All we ask is that you allow us the chance. If you won't, then we will simply remain neutral. We have no quarrel with the Technocracy. - - - The drow ambassador speaks up: When the war starts, and the war WILL start - you fools, the Deep Illithid are getting ready to blot out the sun, and here you sit babbling! - we will not be here. Once the war is concluded, we will simply step in to fill the void, and there will be your world peace. But, let's assume for a moment that your Technocracy idea is a good one - it is sacrilege, but let's humor you: What about our religion? Assuming we DISOBEY Lolth, and decide to coexist with your religions, and you, and we do not strike when sacrilege is uttered against Lolth ... Our religion involves the sacrifice of living beings, and it involves necromantic rituals, and it involves a lot of very secret things that I shall not go into. Would your Technocracy tolerate our sacrifice of living beings? I think not. Would your Technocracy tolerate us wearing the tokens of our faith, such as our whips? I think not. Would your Technocracy tolerate our rituals and ceremonies? Probably not. We know you for what you are: you desire power and dominance just like we do, and your government would be just as oppressive and deadly as the illithid or the aboleth. - - - The scro representative arrives, just in time to hear about the elven Fleets of Vengeance. The response is pretty abrupt: THE ELVES ARE PREPARING WHAT????? - - - The Githyanki representative comments: We think that, instead of a Commonwealth, there should be a Queen ruling over the Technocracy. We like your idea, Reprisal, but we believe one, strong, central authority is best. When power is divolved into councils and lesser individuals, it weakens the power of the nation to act in times of crisis. - - - The kender representative sulks, and says: I still believe the Angels could do it right, and I still believe everyone should give them the terrible weapons. And it would be nice if everyone was polite, and stopped acting like angry gully dwarves. - - - The Chosen look up, and the Chosen who is actual an undead - you can see right through her, speaks: I wish to address a misunderstanding of the Faerie and the Unseelie. We have consulted Mystra on this matter, and we are absolutely sure of what we are about to say: The evolvement of technology in this Crystal Sphere, Realmspace, will not diminish Faerie. It may be true, in other Crystal Spheres, but it is not true here. The concept of Technomancy - technology and magic combined - would have failed early on, in our opinion. Therefore, we conclude that the evolvement of tools - what everyone calls technology - in no way signifies that the Faerie must depart. We also know that the Faerie, or at least Gates to the Realm of Faerie, are required to keep the Weave strong. We believe the world is a much poorer place without the Faerie, regardless of whether others can figure alternate ways of saving our world, and we, the Chosen, would welcome the Faerie back - we would also welcome the Unseelie back, too, for they are a part of Faerie - were they to choose to return. We do not condone or condemn the idea of a Commonwealth, whatever form it might take. We will watch, and we will listen, and you will decide what manner of government you have, and not the Chosen of Mystra. We agree to the terms of the shade of Queen Amlaruil, and we expect her to give her Word in return to us. (Queen Amlaruil does.) - - - When Forrester has completed his statements, Queen Amlaruil looks at him, and her face is sad, and hard too. She speaks in her spectral voice: All I ask, really, is that elves have their own realms, and are allowed to mingle freely with the other races. And that they are not persecuted, war is not made upon them. That they have a chance to share in the beauty and grandeur that the Technocracy, Chosen, NeoIllithid, and others will build. That is all I ask. If you will grant that, I will restrain the elven fleets, and I and my watchnorns will compell them to accept my terms. My terms will be very bitter to them, for they seek vengeance and destruction, and I shall demand they cease all hostilities, and behave themselves, and search in their hearts for not only forgiveness, but repetence and apology for dark acts committed. However, if you will not agree to my conditions, I will not restrain them. I will restrain them from the Technocracy and from Hope Island, and from others who will agree to my requests, but unless the Humanoids agree, I shall allow the elves to do with them as they will. Posts: 1566 | From: Michigan, United States | Registered: Jan 2001 | IP: Logged Edena_of_Neith Member Member # 1235 posted December 03, 2001 11:02 PM Upon hearing the words of Iuz, here are some responses: The drow ambassador smiles warmly at Iuz, and applauds, then comments that someone here has some sense after all. The phaerimm ambassador nods it's agreement with Iuz. The githyanki ambassador eyes Iuz warily. The dwarven, gnomish, and halfling ambassadors glare at Iuz in fury, denunciations ready on their lips. The emissaries from Zakhara boo loudly, and then they throw their support behind Reprisal and his Technocracy. The emissary from Maztica just watches glumly, shaking his head. The emissary from the Tuigan blinks, then wonders at these so called civilized people. The Chosen, sigh, and some of them look weary (which is saying something, for the Chosen do not tire) The kender ambassador, however, becomes furious and he answers Iuz: The kender are NOT evil! (It is true: It is physically impossible for a kender to have an evil alignment, even by magic) The kender are good people, and we think you're stupid! You talk about the big, powerful people ruling us all, and that being right. Well, I say that the nice people, the kind people, should rule. When good people, nice people, rule, then everyone is happy and content. Everyone has all the food they need, and good houses to live in, and everyone smiles and says hello to you in the street and wants to sit and talk. What is the matter with all of you? Can't you see the obvious? The good people, the nice people, should rule. I don't know WHAT happened to him (points to Iuz.) Maybe the gully dwarves tortured him, or the draconians brainwashed him, or perhaps he got lost in the Blood Sea or something, but he's strange. How could anyone think such strange thoughts as this Iuz? Why, even the gully dwarves don't think that strangely! (At this point, half the Court breaks up in roaring laughter.) [ December 03, 2001: Message edited by: Edena_of_Neith ] Posts: 1566 | From: Michigan, United States | Registered: Jan 2001 | IP: Logged Reprisal Member Member # 2368 posted December 03, 2001 11:02 PM quote: The Githyanki representative comments: We think that, instead of a Commonwealth, there should be a Queen ruling over the Technocracy. We like your idea, Reprisal, but we believe one, strong, central authority is best. When power is divolved into councils and lesser individuals, it weakens the power of the nation to act in times of crisis. "The Commonwealth is built upon the notions of plurality, democracy and equality. A Queen, or any form of Monarch, is not conducive to that ideal. We did, however, toy with the idea of a Constitutional Monarchy, where we would have a Royal Family having some say in the governance of the Commonwealth, but we decided to go with an elected President. As far as weakening decisive power, we do have a War Measures Act which, in times of crisis, will enable the Prime Minister, his Cabinet, and the President and his Secretaries of State to rule by decree until the crisis is averted. "You did not, however, comment on the possibility of a World Council. Would you be opposed to joining such an organization? "As far as the Drow are concerned, we do have sections in our Charter of Rights and Freedoms explaining the Freedom of Religious and Philosophical Thought, but it does not take precedence over the Right to Safety, Life and Existence. If you were to reform your religion in such a way to conform to our Law, we would welcome any drow into the Commonwealth. "I should speak of the details with the Chosen, as well as my compatriots here... If a World Council was to be made, we would have to divide it up into branches of government: (1) A Security Council, (2) a Legislative Assembly, and (3) a Neutral, and International Court. As of yet, we are open to discussion on the make-up and structure of said institutions. This is all, of course, supposing that a good portion, if not all, of the nations join such a Council. "What say you all?" -------------------- "Intelligence in chains loses in lucidity what it gains in intensity." - Albert Camus Posts: 222 | From: Parksville, BC, Canada | Registered: Feb 2001 | IP: Logged Edena_of_Neith Member Member # 1235 posted December 03, 2001 11:18 PM (Well, what does everyone say to Reprisal's statement?) The shade of Amlaruil continues to look at Forrester. The Phaerimm ambassador comments: We the phaerimm are equal to the planars here, at least. We the phaerimm are superior to all of the mortal races here. We are so far superior to the animals here that they cannot even grasp the difference between us. To allow animals to govern us is the height of absurdity: I literally cannot believe this was even suggested. I will continue to float here, and listen - and hope that one of you comes up with an INTELLIGENT suggestion. As for our opinion? The phaerimm believe that all magic and technology should be taken from the animals, and the animals should be corralled. The NeoIllithid, the Deep Illithid if they will learn any sense, the Faerie, the Dragons, the Githyanki, and the others who are worthy of consideration could then actually have a serious conference about the future of Toril. We would advocate a society where the government's primary purpose is defense against extraplanar and otherworld threats - we are talking about REAL threats here, not this nonsense being discussed by the animals. Under this loose government, all beings would have their own individual domains, and all due freedom to explore the secrets of the Weave. Beings would be free to cooperate or not cooperate as they wished, and those who offended would be killed by those they offended - no legal system is needed to resolve such disputes. Magic would supply all the needs of the individual, so your so-called society in which you must rely on each other for survival, would not exist in the world we propose. We would not GIVE out our magic to the lesser races - magic is to be learned, and if they cannot learn, they cannot survive. Those that can learn, will survive, and can peacefully co-exist with us, the phaerimm. Thus have we lived, and we have known peace amongst our own kind. We have never needed your justice, for individual disputes are just that, and we do not need complicated laws, for each of us works alone, and we do not need society, for we are self sufficient. - - - The dwarven ambassador comments: I fully support the ambassador of the Technocratic Commonwealth, and the dwarves will support it also. There are no higher principals than the principals of justice and equality, and the Technocracy advocates both. We value life, and we cherish it while we have it, and the humans of the Technocracy share our values, and we applaud them. We believe in a firm and strong government, but a government that is also fair, just, and responsive to the needs of it's people, and the Technocracy is advocating this. We believe in freedom of religion, and we do not believe religions should kill people in dark rituals, and we do not believe religions should persecute others (he glares at the drow emissary), and the Technocracy stands with us on this. We believe the World Forum is an idea of genius. Did the Chosen not contrive to gather us all together, so that war could be averted by civilized discussion? A World Forum would allow this discussion to continue indefinitely, and thus wars could not start. For all the nations of Toril and Realmspace could discuss their differences, and stamp wars out before they started. We euthusiastically endorse the Technocratic Commonwealth, and the dwarves will join this Commonwealth - assuming we are allowed fair representation, obviously - when it is formed. - - - The Githyanki ambassador chimes in, and she says: Sadly, I cannot agree. When an enemy is bearing down on your city, you cannot turn the matter over to a committee. You do not do so in your human cities. You have a standing commander who oversees all the city's defenses, and she must be obeyed. You even kill those who disobey your commanders. This system of a commander with a chain of military command protects your cities from attack, just as it protects ours. Why is our proposal so ridiculous? Why can it not be considered? (she is serious) What is so awful about what we propose? Why, is not your Silverymoon ruled by a Queen, and was it not one of your greatest cities prior to the Seven Year War? Was not the legendary city of Myth Drannor not under the rule of one elf, the Coronal Eltargrim, and did it not become the greatest city in all elvendom? For that matter, are not the Faerie ruled by Queen Titania? We believe in the idea of a Technocracy. We believe there should be an absolute monarch, a Queen - or a King if you prefer that. This monarch should be selected according to wisdom, intelligence, determination, experience, and should have a proven record of courage and combat. Strong underlings should exist to aid the Queen in making decisions, passing laws, and exacting justice. A military chain of command should exist from the Queen on down to the common Knight. - - - At this point several of the Zakharan ambassadors half-heartedly throw their support behind Reprisal, and endorse his proposal for a demoncratic Technocratic Commonwealth. Heavily because their nations are already allied with the Technocracy, and out of fear of the other powers present in the Court. [ December 03, 2001: Message edited by: Edena_of_Neith ] Posts: 1566 | From: Michigan, United States | Registered: Jan 2001 | IP: Logged johnbrown Member Member # 3531 posted December 03, 2001 11:28 PM Iuz chuckles At least the talking rat has more courage than his supposed betters. You go ahead and think whatever you want of me. At least you have to courage to express your opinion. A very dangerous thing to do to something that could crush you like a grape, but it more than most of the creatures here are capable of. As far as the rest of you, call me names, and laugh at me if it makes you feel brave. Steel yourselves against my words. Make your "peace" to spite me if you want. But I say this; spite is also a violent and evil emotion. So, all you do is prove me right. Iuz looks into the kender?s heart and creates some small trinket that he detects the kender would desire. Iuz tosses it to the kender. You amuse me kender, so take it so your family can tell the tale of how you stood down the mighty god Iuz and survived to tell the tale. [ December 03, 2001: Message edited by: johnbrown ] -------------------- After all, it is all about having fun ..... Posts: 67 | From: St. Louis, MO, USA | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged Semirhage Member Member # 8099 posted December 03, 2001 11:33 PM Valkys nods at Iuz's comment, but it is unclear whether he is in agreement. He chuckles at the Kender's comment, assuming it is a joke, no matter how seriously it may or may not have been intended. When the Githyanki speaks he nods, then frowns, "In point of fact, the Faerie are ruled by Queen Titania *AND* King Oberon. But I do agree that the fastest way to completely foul any good idea is to give it to a committee. This assembly is a good example. Nothing seems to be getting done. The idea of a representative body in which each faction has an equal say is certainly not a new idea. It has merit. But I find myself in agreement with certain other members of our assembly. We are not all equal, in number or in wisdom I suspect. But that is yet again beside the point. A monarchy cannot succeed. No single power is strong enough to hold the throne uncontested. Therefore, a council will be necessary. And of course, Iuz will proven correct or incorrect based on your actions in this council. I look forward to witnessing the Empirical evidence." Posts: 31 | Registered: Oct 2001 | IP: Logged [/QUOTE]
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