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<blockquote data-quote="Edena_of_Neith" data-source="post: 1304751" data-attributes="member: 2020"><p><strong>(Post 22) The Second IR</strong></p><p></p><p>Edena_of_Neith </p><p> Member </p><p> Member # 1235 </p><p> posted December 05, 2001 03:55 AM </p><p></p><p> The Phaerimm ambassador rises up, and irritably states:</p><p></p><p> I keep hearing from these powers from other Crystal Spheres and Planes, uttering their proclamations</p><p> and threats from the safety of those places, while we face the threat of annihilation.</p><p> I speak specifically of the Sigilians and of the Slaadi.</p><p></p><p> And then there are the Faerie, who turn their backs upon us and in so doing, doom us all to a slow</p><p> death - for without the Faerie the Weave will fail - and they release impossible demands upon us from</p><p> the safety of their own realms.</p><p></p><p> Well, that shall now all change.</p><p></p><p> If the slaadi do not banish their Wave of Chaos - yes, we know of it! - the Elder Ones will be released</p><p> upon Limbo.</p><p> If the Sigilians attempt to close all Planar Travel to and from Realmspace, excluding the city of Sigil</p><p> itself - they are entitled to that - then we shall release the Elder Ones in Sigil.</p><p> And if the Faerie turn their backs upon us, and will not participate in this forum, and they abandon</p><p> Realmspace, the Elder Ones will be released in their Realm.</p><p> Those who choose to wreak destruction upon Toril and Realmspace, then flee to other planes - be they</p><p> pocket dimensions or New Umbra itself: shall find the Elder Ones released in their safe holes.</p><p></p><p> Nobody has the right to negotiate from a position of ... I'm fine no matter what happens, so I can</p><p> make any demands I want, and you can like them or lump them.</p><p> We don't have to take that out of any race or power.</p><p> Everyone is in this (the phaerimm gives the phaerimm colliqual equivalent of the words stew pot), and</p><p> there everyone shall remain, until answers are hammered out.</p><p></p><p> Am I understood?</p><p> We regret the necessity of this threat, but arrogant demands, from those who think themselves safe</p><p> from all harm, whether we are destroyed or not, are not welcome at this Court, and we will not tolerate</p><p> it any longer.</p><p></p><p> We are all in this together, and the phaerimm intend to enforce that reality upon those who would</p><p> wheedle their way out of this situation. </p><p></p><p> Posts: 1566 | From: Michigan, United States | Registered: Jan 2001 | IP: Logged </p><p></p><p> Edena_of_Neith </p><p> Member </p><p> Member # 1235 </p><p> posted December 05, 2001 04:04 AM </p><p></p><p> (reads and acknowledges, then replies to, Aloisius's e-mail ... I hope the answer was satisfactory) </p><p></p><p> Posts: 1566 | From: Michigan, United States | Registered: Jan 2001 | IP: Logged </p><p></p><p> Edena_of_Neith </p><p> Member </p><p> Member # 1235 </p><p> posted December 05, 2001 04:08 AM </p><p></p><p> The Chosen look distraught when they hear Zouron's proclamation that he may be about to walk out</p><p> of the Court.</p><p> For they know that if one emissary walks out, others will follow, then the conference will break down,</p><p> and ... well ... the dice will have been thrown and they will have lost the game.</p><p></p><p> But they do not ask Zouron to stay. They say nothing. They do nothing. They look miserable. </p><p></p><p> Posts: 1566 | From: Michigan, United States | Registered: Jan 2001 | IP: Logged </p><p></p><p> zouron </p><p> Member </p><p> Member # 3707 </p><p> posted December 05, 2001 05:03 AM </p><p></p><p> *zouron turns to the Chosen ones*</p><p></p><p> I can see your concern that I will leave will bring more with me, and that indeed is the intent of my</p><p> statement, which I will back up if nessecary. Too many judge the humanoids silence far too quickly,</p><p> especially amougn those races whom have proclaimed to ahve endless patiency, well clearly this is not</p><p> the case. Thus this is why I show my own disgust for such in tolerant and self appointed superiority, by</p><p> leaving them to it, if they are unable to get past that.</p><p></p><p> * turns to the phaerimm and bows his head slightly* </p><p></p><p> good to hear that some still keep their heads cool and speak wisely under such negotiations such as</p><p> these.</p><p></p><p> *zouron looks to the technocracy commonwealth*</p><p></p><p> Trade pacts, knowledge exchange are more then welcome at all times and I gladfully accept such. As</p><p> for the fact my nation can stand on our own does not instantly mean that the desire not to be part of a</p><p> better for all is smaller, but sometimes even small nations, must turn their back on a clear benefit if it</p><p> breaks their principle.</p><p></p><p> As for the World Council, it's role should be considered carefully, but at least it IS a forum for people</p><p> of all races to communicate. and no matter size one representive should be right. The many are not</p><p> always correct one must remember.</p><p></p><p> --------------------</p><p></p><p> Alone is something we all are</p><p> only far away voices breaks the silence</p><p> whom wish to escape</p><p> this labyrinth of loneliness</p><p> we fumble our way, but finds nothing</p><p> because here are no walls</p><p> only the fear's angst</p><p> keeps us apart</p><p></p><p></p><p> Posts: 158 | From: Hvidovre, Denmark | Registered: Apr 2001 | IP: Logged </p><p></p><p> Edena_of_Neith </p><p> Member </p><p> Member # 1235 </p><p> posted December 05, 2001 05:51 AM </p><p></p><p> The phaerimm ambassador looks at Zouron, and says:</p><p></p><p> Would you be interested in accepting the compromise my race has offered?</p><p> The eladrin have already accepted, and we were hoping others would, too. </p><p></p><p> Posts: 1566 | From: Michigan, United States | Registered: Jan 2001 | IP: Logged </p><p></p><p> zouron </p><p> Member </p><p> Member # 3707 </p><p> posted December 05, 2001 06:40 AM </p><p></p><p> *zouron thinks for a long time, in silence studying the phaerimm, then slowly says*</p><p></p><p> it is a huge thing to say yes or no to, definitively, I had hoppe to wait until more had accepted or</p><p> rejected your suggest, so they could voice their opinion and I had a chance to weight the good with the</p><p> bad of it. </p><p></p><p> I can say though, that I am more then willing to accept it on trial... and if it works well then it continues</p><p> if not... it is a mighty amount of power to give away.</p><p></p><p> Can you accept that we once every fifth year find together and discuss how this arrangement has</p><p> advanced and make any needed changes? and if we in 10 periodes both find it acceptable in the form</p><p> it will be permanent?</p><p></p><p> --------------------</p><p></p><p> Alone is something we all are</p><p> only far away voices breaks the silence</p><p> whom wish to escape</p><p> this labyrinth of loneliness</p><p> we fumble our way, but finds nothing</p><p> because here are no walls</p><p> only the fear's angst</p><p> keeps us apart</p><p></p><p></p><p> Posts: 158 | From: Hvidovre, Denmark | Registered: Apr 2001 | IP: Logged </p><p></p><p> Aloïsius </p><p> Member </p><p> Member # 2977 </p><p> posted December 05, 2001 06:59 AM </p><p></p><p> (totaly OoC)</p><p> Arghhhh! who is parasiting this discussion with such stupid message" Fatal error: Maximum execution</p><p> time of 30 seconds exceeded in</p><p> D:\site1\cgi-bin\enboards\ubb\cache-B2N8IS49\ubb_files\forums\Forum29\000263-11.cgi on line</p><p> 1106" </p><p> (Is there a way for me to read the thread without these bugs ?)</p><p> Edena : I have answered your answer. I want to point the fact that we will never strike first. (anyway,</p><p> one year is... long. )</p><p></p><p></p><p> Hazedil smiles to the Queen Amlaruil and to the Elven captains : "I thank you all for your good</p><p> behaviour. Now, peace is not only a dream but it can be a reality. And with peace will come life. With</p><p> peace the wounds of the past will heal. The one you have come to avenge are already back, returning</p><p> from death to life, and their number is growing each day : with peace, they will be able to live in</p><p> harmony in this world. As you know, it's far more difficult to create, or recreate, than to destroy, but it</p><p> is far more rewarding. And to you Queen, I apologize for some of the comments I may have done</p><p> against you. Your wisdom is undeniable. As I said before, the Church of Lathander is ready to help you</p><p> to join Arvandor, or, if you prefer : Faerun, not as an undead being, but as living one. Many of your</p><p> subjects have already been resurected. I'm waiting your reply."</p><p></p><p> Then he turns to the drow representant, with a soft smile. His voice his of pure compassion, without the</p><p> slightest taint of anger or hate : "You are wrong, little drow girl. The seeds you are speaking are an</p><p> illusion. As the power you think you are holding. Your Godess has ever be a minor one, and she is</p><p> insane : you will ever fail. In fact, with the destruction of the faerunian drow, her power here is nearly</p><p> equal to zero. In Realmspace she has only one follower : you, while even Eilistraee has a few dozen,</p><p> resurected by our service. And, as you know, the absolute rule established by Ao is that the power of</p><p> the Gods is fonction of the number of their follower. You are nothing. I really pity you"</p><p></p><p> He then turn his head to the Phaerimm ambassador: "If I disagree with your philosophy, I however</p><p> recognize that you have more wisdom than many other here. You have established a sort of Hierarchy</p><p> among the races, with some being superior, and other inferior, the superior governing the inferior ?</p><p> And if I'm right, among the superior races you place the Celestials ? So, logically, you place the Power</p><p> who are able to create the Celestials, and who command them, above the Celestials ? We obey to</p><p> such a power, so you don't have to bother of our supposed irresponsability. Even if I'm myself a</p><p> simple mortal (it's not the case of some of our High Priest, who have transcended this state), I can</p><p> give you further garanty : the Church of Lathander, nor the cities, states or other entities under its</p><p> influence will never act against you. I think we don't need your teaching, since we have err... other</p><p> sources, concerning the arcane mysteries. I have the distinct feeling that you don't appreciate the</p><p> company of humans, or elves or any other humanoid races, so don't bother with us : we have enough</p><p> wisdom not to reproduce errors akin to those commited during the last wars by the various forces. I'm</p><p> of course disponible for all specific negotiations, in order to allow a peaceful coexistence between your</p><p> race and the people under the responsability of our Church."</p><p></p><p> He speak to all the people present. His voice is calm, with just a little feel of exhalted optimism.</p><p> "Well, the futur look somewhat brighter, now ! What do we have to do ? We are waiting for the</p><p> humanoids reply... We need the departure of Iuz, the demons and Devils... We must deal with the</p><p> deep Illithids, either by negociation or by forces... We must obtain the closure of the door's to Limbo</p><p> and the departure of the Slaads... We must obtains the end of the Sigilian threats...That's all... Oops,</p><p> I just forget our dark skinned friend here : we must stop the drow from other planes to interfere... I</p><p> think we need only a few more hours to solves this problems." </p><p></p><p> Posts: 345 | From: Montpellier, France | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged </p><p></p><p> Bagguns </p><p> Member </p><p> Member # 523 </p><p> posted December 05, 2001 07:37 AM </p><p></p><p> As I have absoloutly no Internet at home...sorry for not replying to the plethora of comments and</p><p> such...should have made a final post before I left work.</p><p></p><p> As to doomsday weapons stopping the war and their destruction starting it, that would be true, if the</p><p> very fabric of Toril didn't become mutable at the same time. Try fighting a war when the Realm under</p><p> your feet changes faster than quicksilver, and the only people who can do anything about it are the</p><p> common folk, as they are the only ones being taught by the ambassadors at the current time.</p><p></p><p> The purpose of the "Chaos Wave" isn't to rule or enthrall anyone or even turn Toril into a new Limbo</p><p> (which has much changed from what all the reps know) it's to get everyone to lay down arms because</p><p> they'll be too busy just trying to survive, will people die, well yes. but not on the large scale of the</p><p> wars...if the war is carried to Limbo the Slaadi control of the plane gives them vast power, maybe even</p><p> enough to stop the "Elder Ones", they're used to seeing things like that and spitting in their face, and</p><p> if they die...they can always say they tried SOMETHING, which is pretty much more than most other</p><p> reps can say (though there are a few good ideas floating about).</p><p></p><p> Slaazor speaks:</p><p></p><p> "Lord AO we abide by your decision, and will hold our power in abeyance until the conference ends."</p><p></p><p> "Honored representatives, if you have reached a settlement by the time the conference ends, and thus</p><p> represent no threat to Limbo and the rest of Creation, we will return to Limbo, those who wish to join</p><p> us may and they will be taught the ways of Chaos shaping"</p><p></p><p> "If you have not agreed, then you will learn these ways on your own, whether you like it or not."</p><p></p><p> To the Phaerimm: "We would gladly die to save the Realms, and fight the Elder Ones to our last bitter</p><p> breath."</p><p></p><p> To Edena: Unless I say otherwise, at the first sign of war/end of conference without some peaceful</p><p> resoloution, the Slaadi unleash the "Chaos Wave". If someone makes a pre-emptive strike on Limbo</p><p> or the Slaadi Lords gathered at the conference the same happens.</p><p></p><p> --------------------</p><p></p><p> Evolve or Die.</p><p></p><p> Entropy Sucks.</p><p></p><p></p><p> Posts: 189 | From: Cookstown/McGuire AFB, NJ | Registered: Dec 2000 | IP: Logged </p><p></p><p> DocMoriartty </p><p> Member </p><p> Member # 8593 </p><p> posted December 05, 2001 07:43 AM </p><p></p><p> Moriartty looks up from his reading for a moment.</p><p></p><p> "If you think you can force an apology out of my client the Sharn you are welcome to try. I merely</p><p> represent them. I do not attempt to order them around in any way."</p><p></p><p></p><p> quote:</p><p></p><p> Originally posted by Semirhage:</p><p> "The emissary from Sigil has a right to stay now due to his representation of the Sharn,</p><p> but Sigil would be well advised to keep their 'facts' to themselves from this point. I</p><p> must agree that the 'fact' sounds very much like a threat. </p><p></p><p> Very few of the ambassadors here had even considered Sigil, let alone thought of it as</p><p> a place of refuge. And the greater mass of beings on Toril would be unable to seek</p><p> refuge in Sigil even if it were their desire. The reaction of Sigil so far leads me to wonder</p><p> if they had some part in the events being discussed here."</p><p></p><p> "Regardless, as ambassadors, all of our persons are considered sacrosanct. It was bad</p><p> form for the sharn delegation to harass the phaerimm ambassador. I suggest a formal</p><p> apology is required. If the sharn wish to have an equal say here, they must observe</p><p> proper decorum."</p><p></p><p> Valkys looks at Forrester and claps, adding in an amused tone, "I'm most impressed</p><p> with your ability to dodge a commitment. However, it isn't going to work. I think the</p><p> majority of the delegates agree that, should you agree to the Queen's terms and she</p><p> fails to fulfill her part of the agreement, you would be released from the contract. </p><p></p><p> Whether a representative of the Fleet appears here or not, you will be making the</p><p> same decision. Stalling tactics are unacceptable at this point, as time grows shorter. </p><p></p><p> *IF*, as I am beginning to suspect, you are not empowered to make such a decision by</p><p> your government, perhaps this Court, Council, Conference, or whatever one wishes to</p><p> call it, would be better of using the time you have requested to petition your</p><p> government for a delegate who *is* empowered to enter into such an agreement with</p><p> the elves."</p><p></p><p> Valkys leans back in his seat, awaiting the responses from the other delegates.</p><p></p><p> [ December 04, 2001: Message edited by: Semirhage ]</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> Posts: 135 | From: Chicago burbs | Registered: Nov 2001 | IP: Logged </p><p></p><p> DocMoriartty </p><p> Member </p><p> Member # 8593 </p><p> posted December 05, 2001 08:05 AM </p><p></p><p> "My client would like to point out that the Sharn are a primeval race from Toril. They were here using</p><p> great magic before most of the other races here; minus The Phaerimm and Aboleth, had even</p><p> dragged themselves out of the muck. I would suggest that you not continue to call them outsiders."</p><p></p><p> Looks over at the Phaerimm speaker.</p><p></p><p> "Make whatever bold statements you want to. As I have been forced to repeat for my clients over and</p><p> over again, they are not making threats of any sort. Any use of a doomsday weapon by someone here</p><p> will result in the end of all life on Toril no matter what happens. All my clients are doing is letting you</p><p> know that they will do whatever is required to contain that destruction to Toril. This can only be</p><p> considered a threat to two kinds of people here."</p><p></p><p> Now Moriartty looks all around the room.</p><p></p><p> "The first group of people that is a threat to is anyone here to utterly stupid to understand the simple</p><p> words I am using. The second is anyone here who is entertaining using a doomsday weapon while</p><p> slipping off Toril at the last second."</p><p></p><p> "Next, there is no need to make threats of dropping the Elder Races into Sigil. Such an act would be</p><p> futile and impossible. Try to do it if you like. The most likely result will be the Lady of Pain sealing any</p><p> gates you open and then adding her own seals upon the Elder Gods prison thus making their escape</p><p> impossible no matter where the destination would be."</p><p></p><p> "Finally, I would like to give everyone here copies of the following. It is a warrant for the arrest of</p><p> anyone involved or related or within the gnomish government. The crime is mass murder. If at any</p><p> time anyone covered by this warrant is discovered upon territory controlled by Sigil, ben it within the</p><p> city or somewhere outside controlled by the Sharn or one of the factions those poeple will be arrested.</p><p> They will then be given a fair trial before the court of the Guvners. The only penalty for mass murder is</p><p> the death penalty. I do not state this as a threat. It is a simple fact. No attempts will be made to</p><p> apprehend people and drag them back to Sigil territory. This warrant will only apply if someone enters</p><p> Sigil or Sharn juristiction."</p><p></p><p></p><p> quote:</p><p></p><p> Originally posted by Reprisal:</p><p> "I agree with Zouron on the matter of sovereignty and the right to self-determination</p><p> of those native to Toril. I, for one, see no reason why such parties as the Slaadi and</p><p> the Sharn have their noses in our business. It seems like opportunism far more than an</p><p> actual interest in the affairs of our world.</p><p></p><p> "As for rejecting entrance into the Commonwealth, I understand your point. I too am</p><p> disappointed by the result, but the nation has spoken. Originally, the invitation was to</p><p> be made to nation-states who needed to be developed and protected. Both the</p><p> Humanoid Alliance and the Magocracy are more than able to stand on their own feet.</p><p> Entrance into the Commonwealth is optional and subject to Parliamentry ratification,</p><p> but I hope this does not change your position in relation to the Commonwealth. We</p><p> have never considered the Magocracy enemies, and hope to develop economic treaties</p><p> with you some day down the road.</p><p></p><p> "Also, I also hope the World Council Organization will be realized. We need some</p><p> concrete ground to stand on whilst we talk about the affairs of state."</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> Posts: 135 | From: Chicago burbs | Registered: Nov 2001 | IP: Logged </p><p></p><p> Forrester </p><p> Member </p><p> Member # 2760 </p><p> posted December 05, 2001 08:49 AM </p><p></p><p></p><p> quote:</p><p></p><p> Originally posted by Edena_of_Neith:</p><p> You shall come to Realmspace, and you shall lay down your arms, and YOU SHALL</p><p> behave as civilized beings, and take your part in the greater civilization they are</p><p> building here.</p><p></p><p> The elves glare at her in amazement, incredible anger, and contempt, and one says:</p><p></p><p> Well then, we just won't come at all.</p><p></p><p> Amlaruil replies:</p><p></p><p> YOU WILL COME. And you will help these people, and many will find love for Toril in their</p><p> hearts, and they will stay when we release the rest of you from your obligations.</p><p> The elves then turn to Forrester, and - sullenly, with hatred written on their faces,</p><p> contempt and anger screaming from them - they mumble that they will make peace</p><p> with the scro and humanoids.</p><p></p><p> The shade of Queen Amlaruil then looks at Forrester, and says:</p><p></p><p> We the spirits of the elves who were, have kept our agreement, and we will constrain</p><p> the People to the conditions I have named.</p><p> But they shall be restrained only in regards to those people who agree to meet the</p><p> terms I have required from you.</p><p> You must agree to my terms, all of them, in full, and in spirit.</p><p></p><p></p><p> Forrester starts to laugh. His knees buckle, he puts his hands on his hips, and yes, tears of mirth stream</p><p> down his face as well.</p><p></p><p> Well, Queen, Good show! I didn't think you, or they, had it in you. </p><p></p><p> Wiping a tear from his eye, Forrester walks up to the force shield, and taps on it.</p><p></p><p> Heeeyyyyy, elfies! Hi, there! I didn't quite hear what you mumbled, there. Could you please speak up?</p><p></p><p> Queen, clearly, you should drop the force shield! They look like they are more than ready to begin</p><p> living among us as friends! Tasty, tasty friends!</p><p></p><p> Forrester sighs.</p><p></p><p> Do you really think this can last, Queen? Will you never learn your lesson? Threatening to annihilate</p><p> those who disagree with you tends not to work as a long-term strategy. Or even a short-term one . . .</p><p> not when you are dealing with races as stubborn as elves. Or humanoids. </p><p></p><p> I fail to see how we can "agree to [your] terms, all of them, in full, and in spirit, when the elves here</p><p> clearly do not agree to them in spirit, by your own admission! Why should we agree in spirit, when they</p><p> do not? </p><p></p><p> And why demand that some of these elves COME to Toril, when they clearly do not wish to?! They do</p><p> not want us, we do not want them . . . what, precisely, are you aiming for here? </p><p></p><p> My previous offer stands -- and as best I can tell, it fits in with a loose interpretation of your "terms".</p><p> My people have no wish for further war. We want only peace! </p><p></p><p> So . . . some elves may come to Toril, to live inside this damned Commonwealth that has unfairly</p><p> rejected us. (More on that later!) We will not attack them, directly or indirectly. </p><p></p><p> Furthermore, elves, in SMALL numbers, will be allowed to visit one or two of our largest cities. There will</p><p> be no official sanction against them, and they may come and go relatively freely. I will also not</p><p> unofficially encourage my people to, well, rip off an arm or leg to see how they taste. They will be</p><p> protected from harm. </p><p></p><p> We humanoids are great in number, and SURELY you cannot expect us to suddenly be all</p><p> friendly-wendly with these elves who still harbor hatred in their hearts, so much hatred that they were</p><p> willing to destroy Toril to satisfy it! But perhaps some of these elves are worthy of life after all. </p><p></p><p> If everything turns out, and these elves turn out to be as friendly as you say they are, then who</p><p> knows? Perhaps we can move down the path that you suggest. My people are quite enlightened, after</p><p> all. And we have no desire to see another war. </p><p> What say you? Let's drop the Force shield, so that I may give the leader of the elven fleet a biiiiiig</p><p> hug! </p><p></p><p> I'm sure he'll forgive me soon. What's a little genocide between friends? </p><p></p><p> Forrester </p><p> Peacemaker </p><p></p><p> Posts: 699 | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Edena_of_Neith, post: 1304751, member: 2020"] [b](Post 22) The Second IR[/b] Edena_of_Neith Member Member # 1235 posted December 05, 2001 03:55 AM The Phaerimm ambassador rises up, and irritably states: I keep hearing from these powers from other Crystal Spheres and Planes, uttering their proclamations and threats from the safety of those places, while we face the threat of annihilation. I speak specifically of the Sigilians and of the Slaadi. And then there are the Faerie, who turn their backs upon us and in so doing, doom us all to a slow death - for without the Faerie the Weave will fail - and they release impossible demands upon us from the safety of their own realms. Well, that shall now all change. If the slaadi do not banish their Wave of Chaos - yes, we know of it! - the Elder Ones will be released upon Limbo. If the Sigilians attempt to close all Planar Travel to and from Realmspace, excluding the city of Sigil itself - they are entitled to that - then we shall release the Elder Ones in Sigil. And if the Faerie turn their backs upon us, and will not participate in this forum, and they abandon Realmspace, the Elder Ones will be released in their Realm. Those who choose to wreak destruction upon Toril and Realmspace, then flee to other planes - be they pocket dimensions or New Umbra itself: shall find the Elder Ones released in their safe holes. Nobody has the right to negotiate from a position of ... I'm fine no matter what happens, so I can make any demands I want, and you can like them or lump them. We don't have to take that out of any race or power. Everyone is in this (the phaerimm gives the phaerimm colliqual equivalent of the words stew pot), and there everyone shall remain, until answers are hammered out. Am I understood? We regret the necessity of this threat, but arrogant demands, from those who think themselves safe from all harm, whether we are destroyed or not, are not welcome at this Court, and we will not tolerate it any longer. We are all in this together, and the phaerimm intend to enforce that reality upon those who would wheedle their way out of this situation. Posts: 1566 | From: Michigan, United States | Registered: Jan 2001 | IP: Logged Edena_of_Neith Member Member # 1235 posted December 05, 2001 04:04 AM (reads and acknowledges, then replies to, Aloisius's e-mail ... I hope the answer was satisfactory) Posts: 1566 | From: Michigan, United States | Registered: Jan 2001 | IP: Logged Edena_of_Neith Member Member # 1235 posted December 05, 2001 04:08 AM The Chosen look distraught when they hear Zouron's proclamation that he may be about to walk out of the Court. For they know that if one emissary walks out, others will follow, then the conference will break down, and ... well ... the dice will have been thrown and they will have lost the game. But they do not ask Zouron to stay. They say nothing. They do nothing. They look miserable. Posts: 1566 | From: Michigan, United States | Registered: Jan 2001 | IP: Logged zouron Member Member # 3707 posted December 05, 2001 05:03 AM *zouron turns to the Chosen ones* I can see your concern that I will leave will bring more with me, and that indeed is the intent of my statement, which I will back up if nessecary. Too many judge the humanoids silence far too quickly, especially amougn those races whom have proclaimed to ahve endless patiency, well clearly this is not the case. Thus this is why I show my own disgust for such in tolerant and self appointed superiority, by leaving them to it, if they are unable to get past that. * turns to the phaerimm and bows his head slightly* good to hear that some still keep their heads cool and speak wisely under such negotiations such as these. *zouron looks to the technocracy commonwealth* Trade pacts, knowledge exchange are more then welcome at all times and I gladfully accept such. As for the fact my nation can stand on our own does not instantly mean that the desire not to be part of a better for all is smaller, but sometimes even small nations, must turn their back on a clear benefit if it breaks their principle. As for the World Council, it's role should be considered carefully, but at least it IS a forum for people of all races to communicate. and no matter size one representive should be right. The many are not always correct one must remember. -------------------- Alone is something we all are only far away voices breaks the silence whom wish to escape this labyrinth of loneliness we fumble our way, but finds nothing because here are no walls only the fear's angst keeps us apart Posts: 158 | From: Hvidovre, Denmark | Registered: Apr 2001 | IP: Logged Edena_of_Neith Member Member # 1235 posted December 05, 2001 05:51 AM The phaerimm ambassador looks at Zouron, and says: Would you be interested in accepting the compromise my race has offered? The eladrin have already accepted, and we were hoping others would, too. Posts: 1566 | From: Michigan, United States | Registered: Jan 2001 | IP: Logged zouron Member Member # 3707 posted December 05, 2001 06:40 AM *zouron thinks for a long time, in silence studying the phaerimm, then slowly says* it is a huge thing to say yes or no to, definitively, I had hoppe to wait until more had accepted or rejected your suggest, so they could voice their opinion and I had a chance to weight the good with the bad of it. I can say though, that I am more then willing to accept it on trial... and if it works well then it continues if not... it is a mighty amount of power to give away. Can you accept that we once every fifth year find together and discuss how this arrangement has advanced and make any needed changes? and if we in 10 periodes both find it acceptable in the form it will be permanent? -------------------- Alone is something we all are only far away voices breaks the silence whom wish to escape this labyrinth of loneliness we fumble our way, but finds nothing because here are no walls only the fear's angst keeps us apart Posts: 158 | From: Hvidovre, Denmark | Registered: Apr 2001 | IP: Logged Aloïsius Member Member # 2977 posted December 05, 2001 06:59 AM (totaly OoC) Arghhhh! who is parasiting this discussion with such stupid message" Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in D:\site1\cgi-bin\enboards\ubb\cache-B2N8IS49\ubb_files\forums\Forum29\000263-11.cgi on line 1106" (Is there a way for me to read the thread without these bugs ?) Edena : I have answered your answer. I want to point the fact that we will never strike first. (anyway, one year is... long. ) Hazedil smiles to the Queen Amlaruil and to the Elven captains : "I thank you all for your good behaviour. Now, peace is not only a dream but it can be a reality. And with peace will come life. With peace the wounds of the past will heal. The one you have come to avenge are already back, returning from death to life, and their number is growing each day : with peace, they will be able to live in harmony in this world. As you know, it's far more difficult to create, or recreate, than to destroy, but it is far more rewarding. And to you Queen, I apologize for some of the comments I may have done against you. Your wisdom is undeniable. As I said before, the Church of Lathander is ready to help you to join Arvandor, or, if you prefer : Faerun, not as an undead being, but as living one. Many of your subjects have already been resurected. I'm waiting your reply." Then he turns to the drow representant, with a soft smile. His voice his of pure compassion, without the slightest taint of anger or hate : "You are wrong, little drow girl. The seeds you are speaking are an illusion. As the power you think you are holding. Your Godess has ever be a minor one, and she is insane : you will ever fail. In fact, with the destruction of the faerunian drow, her power here is nearly equal to zero. In Realmspace she has only one follower : you, while even Eilistraee has a few dozen, resurected by our service. And, as you know, the absolute rule established by Ao is that the power of the Gods is fonction of the number of their follower. You are nothing. I really pity you" He then turn his head to the Phaerimm ambassador: "If I disagree with your philosophy, I however recognize that you have more wisdom than many other here. You have established a sort of Hierarchy among the races, with some being superior, and other inferior, the superior governing the inferior ? And if I'm right, among the superior races you place the Celestials ? So, logically, you place the Power who are able to create the Celestials, and who command them, above the Celestials ? We obey to such a power, so you don't have to bother of our supposed irresponsability. Even if I'm myself a simple mortal (it's not the case of some of our High Priest, who have transcended this state), I can give you further garanty : the Church of Lathander, nor the cities, states or other entities under its influence will never act against you. I think we don't need your teaching, since we have err... other sources, concerning the arcane mysteries. I have the distinct feeling that you don't appreciate the company of humans, or elves or any other humanoid races, so don't bother with us : we have enough wisdom not to reproduce errors akin to those commited during the last wars by the various forces. I'm of course disponible for all specific negotiations, in order to allow a peaceful coexistence between your race and the people under the responsability of our Church." He speak to all the people present. His voice is calm, with just a little feel of exhalted optimism. "Well, the futur look somewhat brighter, now ! What do we have to do ? We are waiting for the humanoids reply... We need the departure of Iuz, the demons and Devils... We must deal with the deep Illithids, either by negociation or by forces... We must obtain the closure of the door's to Limbo and the departure of the Slaads... We must obtains the end of the Sigilian threats...That's all... Oops, I just forget our dark skinned friend here : we must stop the drow from other planes to interfere... I think we need only a few more hours to solves this problems." Posts: 345 | From: Montpellier, France | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged Bagguns Member Member # 523 posted December 05, 2001 07:37 AM As I have absoloutly no Internet at home...sorry for not replying to the plethora of comments and such...should have made a final post before I left work. As to doomsday weapons stopping the war and their destruction starting it, that would be true, if the very fabric of Toril didn't become mutable at the same time. Try fighting a war when the Realm under your feet changes faster than quicksilver, and the only people who can do anything about it are the common folk, as they are the only ones being taught by the ambassadors at the current time. The purpose of the "Chaos Wave" isn't to rule or enthrall anyone or even turn Toril into a new Limbo (which has much changed from what all the reps know) it's to get everyone to lay down arms because they'll be too busy just trying to survive, will people die, well yes. but not on the large scale of the wars...if the war is carried to Limbo the Slaadi control of the plane gives them vast power, maybe even enough to stop the "Elder Ones", they're used to seeing things like that and spitting in their face, and if they die...they can always say they tried SOMETHING, which is pretty much more than most other reps can say (though there are a few good ideas floating about). Slaazor speaks: "Lord AO we abide by your decision, and will hold our power in abeyance until the conference ends." "Honored representatives, if you have reached a settlement by the time the conference ends, and thus represent no threat to Limbo and the rest of Creation, we will return to Limbo, those who wish to join us may and they will be taught the ways of Chaos shaping" "If you have not agreed, then you will learn these ways on your own, whether you like it or not." To the Phaerimm: "We would gladly die to save the Realms, and fight the Elder Ones to our last bitter breath." To Edena: Unless I say otherwise, at the first sign of war/end of conference without some peaceful resoloution, the Slaadi unleash the "Chaos Wave". If someone makes a pre-emptive strike on Limbo or the Slaadi Lords gathered at the conference the same happens. -------------------- Evolve or Die. Entropy Sucks. Posts: 189 | From: Cookstown/McGuire AFB, NJ | Registered: Dec 2000 | IP: Logged DocMoriartty Member Member # 8593 posted December 05, 2001 07:43 AM Moriartty looks up from his reading for a moment. "If you think you can force an apology out of my client the Sharn you are welcome to try. I merely represent them. I do not attempt to order them around in any way." quote: Originally posted by Semirhage: "The emissary from Sigil has a right to stay now due to his representation of the Sharn, but Sigil would be well advised to keep their 'facts' to themselves from this point. I must agree that the 'fact' sounds very much like a threat. Very few of the ambassadors here had even considered Sigil, let alone thought of it as a place of refuge. And the greater mass of beings on Toril would be unable to seek refuge in Sigil even if it were their desire. The reaction of Sigil so far leads me to wonder if they had some part in the events being discussed here." "Regardless, as ambassadors, all of our persons are considered sacrosanct. It was bad form for the sharn delegation to harass the phaerimm ambassador. I suggest a formal apology is required. If the sharn wish to have an equal say here, they must observe proper decorum." Valkys looks at Forrester and claps, adding in an amused tone, "I'm most impressed with your ability to dodge a commitment. However, it isn't going to work. I think the majority of the delegates agree that, should you agree to the Queen's terms and she fails to fulfill her part of the agreement, you would be released from the contract. Whether a representative of the Fleet appears here or not, you will be making the same decision. Stalling tactics are unacceptable at this point, as time grows shorter. *IF*, as I am beginning to suspect, you are not empowered to make such a decision by your government, perhaps this Court, Council, Conference, or whatever one wishes to call it, would be better of using the time you have requested to petition your government for a delegate who *is* empowered to enter into such an agreement with the elves." Valkys leans back in his seat, awaiting the responses from the other delegates. [ December 04, 2001: Message edited by: Semirhage ] Posts: 135 | From: Chicago burbs | Registered: Nov 2001 | IP: Logged DocMoriartty Member Member # 8593 posted December 05, 2001 08:05 AM "My client would like to point out that the Sharn are a primeval race from Toril. They were here using great magic before most of the other races here; minus The Phaerimm and Aboleth, had even dragged themselves out of the muck. I would suggest that you not continue to call them outsiders." Looks over at the Phaerimm speaker. "Make whatever bold statements you want to. As I have been forced to repeat for my clients over and over again, they are not making threats of any sort. Any use of a doomsday weapon by someone here will result in the end of all life on Toril no matter what happens. All my clients are doing is letting you know that they will do whatever is required to contain that destruction to Toril. This can only be considered a threat to two kinds of people here." Now Moriartty looks all around the room. "The first group of people that is a threat to is anyone here to utterly stupid to understand the simple words I am using. The second is anyone here who is entertaining using a doomsday weapon while slipping off Toril at the last second." "Next, there is no need to make threats of dropping the Elder Races into Sigil. Such an act would be futile and impossible. Try to do it if you like. The most likely result will be the Lady of Pain sealing any gates you open and then adding her own seals upon the Elder Gods prison thus making their escape impossible no matter where the destination would be." "Finally, I would like to give everyone here copies of the following. It is a warrant for the arrest of anyone involved or related or within the gnomish government. The crime is mass murder. If at any time anyone covered by this warrant is discovered upon territory controlled by Sigil, ben it within the city or somewhere outside controlled by the Sharn or one of the factions those poeple will be arrested. They will then be given a fair trial before the court of the Guvners. The only penalty for mass murder is the death penalty. I do not state this as a threat. It is a simple fact. No attempts will be made to apprehend people and drag them back to Sigil territory. This warrant will only apply if someone enters Sigil or Sharn juristiction." quote: Originally posted by Reprisal: "I agree with Zouron on the matter of sovereignty and the right to self-determination of those native to Toril. I, for one, see no reason why such parties as the Slaadi and the Sharn have their noses in our business. It seems like opportunism far more than an actual interest in the affairs of our world. "As for rejecting entrance into the Commonwealth, I understand your point. I too am disappointed by the result, but the nation has spoken. Originally, the invitation was to be made to nation-states who needed to be developed and protected. Both the Humanoid Alliance and the Magocracy are more than able to stand on their own feet. Entrance into the Commonwealth is optional and subject to Parliamentry ratification, but I hope this does not change your position in relation to the Commonwealth. We have never considered the Magocracy enemies, and hope to develop economic treaties with you some day down the road. "Also, I also hope the World Council Organization will be realized. We need some concrete ground to stand on whilst we talk about the affairs of state." Posts: 135 | From: Chicago burbs | Registered: Nov 2001 | IP: Logged Forrester Member Member # 2760 posted December 05, 2001 08:49 AM quote: Originally posted by Edena_of_Neith: You shall come to Realmspace, and you shall lay down your arms, and YOU SHALL behave as civilized beings, and take your part in the greater civilization they are building here. The elves glare at her in amazement, incredible anger, and contempt, and one says: Well then, we just won't come at all. Amlaruil replies: YOU WILL COME. And you will help these people, and many will find love for Toril in their hearts, and they will stay when we release the rest of you from your obligations. The elves then turn to Forrester, and - sullenly, with hatred written on their faces, contempt and anger screaming from them - they mumble that they will make peace with the scro and humanoids. The shade of Queen Amlaruil then looks at Forrester, and says: We the spirits of the elves who were, have kept our agreement, and we will constrain the People to the conditions I have named. But they shall be restrained only in regards to those people who agree to meet the terms I have required from you. You must agree to my terms, all of them, in full, and in spirit. Forrester starts to laugh. His knees buckle, he puts his hands on his hips, and yes, tears of mirth stream down his face as well. Well, Queen, Good show! I didn't think you, or they, had it in you. Wiping a tear from his eye, Forrester walks up to the force shield, and taps on it. Heeeyyyyy, elfies! Hi, there! I didn't quite hear what you mumbled, there. Could you please speak up? Queen, clearly, you should drop the force shield! They look like they are more than ready to begin living among us as friends! Tasty, tasty friends! Forrester sighs. Do you really think this can last, Queen? Will you never learn your lesson? Threatening to annihilate those who disagree with you tends not to work as a long-term strategy. Or even a short-term one . . . not when you are dealing with races as stubborn as elves. Or humanoids. I fail to see how we can "agree to [your] terms, all of them, in full, and in spirit, when the elves here clearly do not agree to them in spirit, by your own admission! Why should we agree in spirit, when they do not? And why demand that some of these elves COME to Toril, when they clearly do not wish to?! They do not want us, we do not want them . . . what, precisely, are you aiming for here? My previous offer stands -- and as best I can tell, it fits in with a loose interpretation of your "terms". My people have no wish for further war. We want only peace! So . . . some elves may come to Toril, to live inside this damned Commonwealth that has unfairly rejected us. (More on that later!) We will not attack them, directly or indirectly. Furthermore, elves, in SMALL numbers, will be allowed to visit one or two of our largest cities. There will be no official sanction against them, and they may come and go relatively freely. I will also not unofficially encourage my people to, well, rip off an arm or leg to see how they taste. They will be protected from harm. We humanoids are great in number, and SURELY you cannot expect us to suddenly be all friendly-wendly with these elves who still harbor hatred in their hearts, so much hatred that they were willing to destroy Toril to satisfy it! But perhaps some of these elves are worthy of life after all. If everything turns out, and these elves turn out to be as friendly as you say they are, then who knows? Perhaps we can move down the path that you suggest. My people are quite enlightened, after all. And we have no desire to see another war. What say you? Let's drop the Force shield, so that I may give the leader of the elven fleet a biiiiiig hug! I'm sure he'll forgive me soon. What's a little genocide between friends? Forrester Peacemaker Posts: 699 | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged [/QUOTE]
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