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<blockquote data-quote="Edena_of_Neith" data-source="post: 1304753" data-attributes="member: 2020">(Post 24) The Second IRBagguns &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member # 523 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; posted December 05, 2001 12:39 PM&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Slaazor addresses Zouron:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;Be careful with your words mage, you do not speak for all present, nor do you understand the gravity&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; of the situation.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; To the rest of the reps:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;There are those amongst you who say we outfreyn beings have no right to come here, for this war&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; and conference is not our business. Did you not hear the words of AO? Should Toril be destroyed ALL&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; realms perish, we Slaadi have a vested interest in this whether you acknowledge it or no, and if we&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; must save you from yourselves, for the sake of our plane and those peoples who populate it...we will.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Edit: edited for spelling, and some missing words&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; [ December 05, 2001: Message edited by: Bagguns ]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; --------------------&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Evolve or Die.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Entropy Sucks.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Posts: 189 | From: Cookstown/McGuire AFB, NJ | Registered: Dec 2000&nbsp; |&nbsp; IP: Logged &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Semirhage &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member # 8099 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; posted December 05, 2001 12:56 PM&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Valkys addresses Slaazor:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;Ao said that the destruction of Toril would 'resonate' in other realms, ie. they would be affected in&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; some manor. As Toril is but a single planet in the Crystal Sphere of Realmspace, I find it unrealistic to&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; imagine that its destruction will trigger the end of everything.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;If Ao would care to contradict my understanding of the situation, then I would be happy to hear him.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Otherwise, Toril is but one world among hundreds of millions. That should make you all feel small and&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; insignificant, so quit arguing.&quot; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Valkys continues, addressing the entire gathering:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;You are nothing more than a gathering of insects. You threaten because you feel that you are all&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; important, but consider. The gods can crush you, Ao can crush the gods. Even your weapons of mass&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; destruction are entirely insignificant. The Elder Beings are the equivalent of a Hurricane. They'll destroy&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; the Anthill, and everything around it, but they'll eventually get bored and go away. They are&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; completely out of the Pherimm's control, like any other force of nature. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Once you've destroyed your world, you prove how truly tiny you were to begin with. So, my advice to&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; you all is to STOP THREATENING EVERYONE ELSE. Act like sentient beings. Discuss the issues, come to&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; a compromise, and ensure your continued existence in a semblance of peace.&quot; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Posts: 31 | Registered: Oct 2001&nbsp; |&nbsp; IP: Logged &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Bagguns &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member # 523 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; posted December 05, 2001 01:08 PM&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; quote:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Originally posted by Semirhage:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Valkys addresses Slaazor:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;Ao said that the destruction of Toril would 'resonate' in other realms, ie. they would be&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; affected in some manor. As Toril is but a single planet in the Crystal Sphere of&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Realmspace, I find it unrealistic to imagine that its destruction will trigger the end of&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; everything.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Addressing Valkys&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;AO also said the Unmaking of all existance was at hand, and those in far flung realms would not be&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; saved, only AO. I take the Overgod at his word, and have responded accordingly...the Chaos gates&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; have been suspended...for the time being. I will however unleash their energies to stop any&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; aggression from any nation...if they truly care for their people they will look to their immediate survival&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; and not imminent war once Chaos reigns. If they do not then we are all truly lost.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;Chaos brings change not wanton destruction, ours is not so much a &quot;doomsday weapon&quot; rather an&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; attempt to stop both doomsday weapons and armies from ravaging this planet.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; --------------------&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Evolve or Die.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Entropy Sucks.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Posts: 189 | From: Cookstown/McGuire AFB, NJ | Registered: Dec 2000&nbsp; |&nbsp; IP: Logged &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; zouron &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member # 3707 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; posted December 05, 2001 01:55 PM&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; *zouron glares at slaazar*&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Careful what I say? well try prove me wrong if you so dare. I might not speak for all but I have no&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; itnerest in abiding by your command what so ever, I care for people living on this planet, not for that&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; pathetic place of instability you call home.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; I defiantely understand the situation, I unlike you know this from the very start! from before this&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; assembly was anmything but a bunch of normal folks.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; *zouron turns to Moriarty*&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Well I don't care what your cliant thinks! honestly they could roast over a fire for all I care. Secondly&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; you adn your so called client, if ther eindeed is a such, should get glasses, I am very much alive and&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; very human still.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; --------------------&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Alone is something we all are&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; only far away voices breaks the silence&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; whom wish to escape&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; this labyrinth of loneliness&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; we fumble our way, but finds nothing&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; because here are no walls&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; only the fear's angst&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; keeps us apart&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Posts: 158 | From: Hvidovre, Denmark | Registered: Apr 2001&nbsp; |&nbsp; IP: Logged &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Reprisal &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member # 2368 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; posted December 05, 2001 01:58 PM&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; quote:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Finally, I would like to assure the representative of the Technomancy that were the&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Humanoids allowed in the Commonwealth, we would not use our power to do anything&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; nifty like make elves our slaves, etc. As we would feel much more secure from attack,&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; the speed at which we started to get along with the elfies would probably be accelerated&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; noticeably. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; But the ball is in your court . . .&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;If this is truly the case, I will do what I can to force the issue with the parties and member-states back&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; home. It will not be something that can be done in a matter of days, or even weeks. If I were to win&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; the Presidential election, perhaps I will be able to use that leverage to convince the many wary&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; members of the Chamber and Senate. As I have said before, the decision was not mine alone to&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; make.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;Alosius, as far as the location of the World Council Organization is concerned, we're not too picky. The&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; location of the capital of the Technocratic Commonwealth, although, has already been chosen. It's&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; walls have already been constructed and our government members have already moved to the capital&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; city.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;On the other hand, our system of government has been shown to you and it is, indeed, a fair and&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; just government. On that note, I would inform the gnomish representative that the allegations of&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; crimes made by the gnomish people are simply that, allegations. Personally, I do not believe that you&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; had such a hand in such awful things, but, if there is some actual proof of it being so, however&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; unlikely, there would be little we could do on moral grounds to ignore it.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; ((I plan on having my character run for the Presidency on his ability to get the World Council&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Organization going. As soon as he is elected, I will place people who are a bit more open-minded in&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; places of power. That way, I would have a much larger chance of having the Parliament accept the&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; entrance of the humanoid alliance. Concessions would have to be made, however, probably by both&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; sides.))&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; [ December 05, 2001: Message edited by: Reprisal ]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; --------------------&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;Intelligence in chains loses in lucidity what it gains in intensity.&quot; - Albert Camus&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Posts: 223 | From: Parksville, BC, Canada | Registered: Feb 2001&nbsp; |&nbsp; IP: Logged &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Estlor &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member # 62 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; posted December 05, 2001 02:23 PM&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; I know well Toril's history. What I ask others to see is not the past, but the future. The events before&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; the war are irrelevant. How the gods drew their power before the Time of Troubles is irrelevant. What is&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; relevant is this (and I suggest you listen).&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; We fought a war. A war to end all wars. But why did we fight this war? What were the roots of the&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; conflict? In the end it boils down to perspective. The war began as a conflict of those looking forward&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; against those looking back. The technocrats sought to improve themselves. The greens clung to their&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; old ways and old gods. Progress won in the end. The old ways no longer have a place on Toril, and&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; that includes the old gods and the old teachings.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; From this point on the only people that matter are the mortals. The only decisions that should be&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; made are by us. The ignorant and the immature that cling to their gods to show them enlightenment&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; and the &quot;correct path&quot; belong to an era that is no more. The gods are no longer needed.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; But, perhaps some are too blind to see or admit this.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; If your god cared for you, why did your god permit this? Do we serve the gods, or do the gods serve&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; us? Who really needs who more? I stand here before you, a man who has not put his faith in a god&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; since the war ended. The death of the elves showed me this was unnecessary. Prayer to and faith in&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; their pantheon did nothing to save them. But since then, hard work and perseverance has kept me&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; alive, not gods.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Only a fool clings to them in this new world.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; If there is to be a peace in this world, it should be a peace of our own choosing and our own creation.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; The audacity of the Chosen to call us all here only proves their will to return to a position of power&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; among us.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; I saw the war first hand. I led armies in it. I face the blame for it all. And through that I have learned&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; this truth. My only wish is to see that others learn from me, lest the world create another Estlor to fight&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; anew.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; --------------------&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; The Lighthouse Webmaster&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;More conversions, less talk.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Posts: 514 | Registered: Dec 2000&nbsp; |&nbsp; IP: Logged &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; zouron &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member # 3707 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; posted December 05, 2001 02:35 PM&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; I agree with estlor on what he said, it is us mortals occupants of this world that decide it's faith, not&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; gods, not outsiders, but those that led progress, through armies and negotiations. I too was out there&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; in the battle field, though compared to some a lesser degree, but never the less, I dare say that we&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; should decide.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; --------------------&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Alone is something we all are&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; only far away voices breaks the silence&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; whom wish to escape&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; this labyrinth of loneliness&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; we fumble our way, but finds nothing&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; because here are no walls&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; only the fear's angst&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; keeps us apart&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Posts: 158 | From: Hvidovre, Denmark | Registered: Apr 2001&nbsp; |&nbsp; IP: Logged &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; DocMoriartty &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member # 8593 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; posted December 05, 2001 03:16 PM&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;I see associating with the dead has dulled your senses. I would expect no better from a magical&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; necrophile. Maybe if you paid attention to what was said you would not sound like some petty mage&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; that takes pleasure in acting so juvenile.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; quote:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Originally posted by zouron:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; *zouron turns to Moriarty*&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Well I don't care what your cliant thinks! honestly they could roast over a fire for all I&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; care. Secondly you adn your so called client, if ther eindeed is a such, should get&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; glasses, I am very much alive and very human still.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; [ December 05, 2001: Message edited by: DocMoriartty ]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Posts: 135 | From: Chicago burbs | Registered: Nov 2001&nbsp; |&nbsp; IP: Logged &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Joren &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member # 1869 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; posted December 05, 2001 03:49 PM&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Ao smiles at the words of Estlor.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; He speaks: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; You who are gathered here should consider carefully the words of the one named Estlor. He speaks&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; profoundly. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Consider carefully what it is the Gods are to you.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Consider carefully the ramifications of a world without their presence.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Choose your path.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Focus turns now to Valkys . . .&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; The (a word is spoken which minds interpret as &quot;multiverse&quot;) is more complex than you understand. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; What is the consequence on other realms of the destruction of Toril?&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; The information already exchanged at this gathering should suffice to give you some glimpse of the&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; outcome . . . &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Consider what has been threatened already, and if such things could come to pass . . . &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Posts: 21 | Registered: Feb 2001&nbsp; |&nbsp; IP: Logged &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Gez &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member # 444 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; posted December 05, 2001 03:50 PM&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;As the representative of the Gnome, I have to talk once again.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; *Adressing Reprisal*&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;I'd like you to reconsider Hazedil's suggestion. We offered to help you and them to create the capitol,&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; and we can already show you several conceptual designs of how it could look like.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; *The holographic projection of a fantastic city, blending high-tech and nature, glass and trees, steel and rock,&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; water and concrete, magic and technology appear.*&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;As you can say, this place would be cosmopolitan to the extreme, showing to the whole world the true&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; nature of democracy and tolerance. Furthermore, it would be a &quot;living&quot; example that knowledge of&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; magic and knowledge of science works well together.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; *Looking to Valkys*&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;I don't understand why, because natural laws are different in another planes, natural laws of this very&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; plane should change. Your example about gravity on the Plane of Faerie has no relevance to the&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; interactions between technology and magic.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; *Turning toward Moriartty*&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;Listen, my good mister. Your hatred toward our kind is very visible, and begins to be boring. We&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; offered you to raise your son, along with important compensations, you didn't even bothered to&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; answer, not, I guess, to listen. This shows very clearly you in fact want to have a pretext for legal&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; assassination of our whole race, no doubt about that. Let it be known several basic facts.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;The destruction of Shadowdale, and of its inhabitants, was an act of war. Acts of war are outside the&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; juridiction of civilian trials.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;If it were relevant, the immense number of other atrocities that happened during this war -- and I am&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; well placed to know that a great proportion of those atrocities were commited against us, suffice to say&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; we were forced to retreat to a demiplane hidden in the Golden Hills to avoid extinction and that most&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; of our deceased would have preferred to die instantly vaporized by a nuclear blast rather than through&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; the awful methods of their enemies -- would make that this particular matter would not be judged&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; before about 1200 years (rough estimation from our lawyers and historians).&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;This act of war was made without inflicting torture or pain, and was targeted at a particular location,&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; not at a whole race. This isn't, thus, a genocide. Only genocide being imprescriptible, this affairs can&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; not be judged by posterior laws or exterior justice. No court or juridiction of any kind have survived&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; from the concerned parties since this act happened, so noone is legitimate to judge it.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;Finally, as part of the Peace Effort that settled the reconstruction of Toril, a general amnisty was&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; declared. Otherwise you should have to put about the three quarters of all the administrative,&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; executive and military staff of each involved country, which means every countries as this was a world&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; war.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; *The gnome's image turns toward Estlor, and flickers brievly as a quickly repressed anger change his&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; appearance to that of a mole for one mere second*&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;For example, we won't asks for the arrest and trial of this leader of terrorist, who cautionned many&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; tragic assassination and sabotages, played an important part in the launching of the war, and could&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; conceivably be considered as one of the worse criminals here.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;We won't, because we're wise, we know that what has happened has happened, and that after such a&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; cataclysm we should rebuild the world anew rather than shake a dagger in the wounds of the past.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;We won't, because we're wise and we do know that now is a time of forgiveness and future, not anger,&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; hatred and grievance.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;Estlor, you should know that faith in the land is faith in the Goddess Chauntea, whose body is Toril.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; You should also know that the magic here is not like the magic in Oerth or Mystara. This is a far less&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; controllable power. The weave allow to channel it into spells similar to those possible on other worlds.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Without the Weave, the only magic possible is the crude spellfire. Or the insidious magic of the&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Shadow Weave. Without Mystra or Shar, only a crude form of magic is possible here. Even innate&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; magical powers, such as those of a fey, a dragon or a sorcerer must pass by a Weave.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;You should also know that much of the technology would not be reliable without magic. To take a&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; simple example, any electronic engine is infused with Abjuration spells for error handling and&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; correction. And magic healing is still far more efficient than mundane healing. A spell will remove any&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; poison, or any disease. By mundane way, you have a different medicine for each poison and each&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; disease, some people develop allergy to these medecine, and a medecine is also a poison, so an&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; error in a diagnostic can cost the life of a patient.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;We understand your bitterness, but it's pointless to think that the Realms will survive -- or even&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; worse, can only survive -- without gods and magic.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;In fact, the fact that people believed technology will turn people back from the gods and magic&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; involved a lots of factions into that war. Ignorant people that built their power on magic or faith, and&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; that thought they needed to crush innovation to keep their power. They proved wrong.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;The fact that their is a god of technology and scientifical research, Gond, and the fact that melding&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; science and magic -- every kind of magic, from arcane to divine to psionic -- just prove that, in fact,&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; nothing changed.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;This war was started by mortals, so I agree it should be definitely ended by mortals. However, the&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Age of Insight will not change the relationship between mortals and divine, nor between mundane and&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; magic. The Age of Insight will only change relationships between mortals. The Age of Insight will be&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; based on the ideal of Democracy, Freedom, Equality and Progress.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;This war was started, and willed, by mortals. The gods are not to blame, they only followed the wills of&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; the mortals. Those that were opposed to the war were as numerous as those that were favorable, so&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; the gods were powerless to influence Toril's fate.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; *Adressing the whole gathering*&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;We advocate that the Technocratic Commonwealth, from which we are a part, include the Humanoids&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; in its ranks, as well as the Elves. We advocate that each race should get an equal voice in the&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Parliament and the Governement. We also advocate that concrete measure should be made to&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; preserve the equilibrium of Abeir-Toril, at all levels. No more than 33% of each type of land on Toril&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; should the Technocratic Commonwealth recover. Installations should be the less disruptive possible to&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; its environment. This is possible, and we could finance the works with the revenue of our secret trading&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; post of Pontopiddan, in the Gem layer of the Elemental Plane of Earth.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; --------------------&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;What's our mission ?&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; - We must get the last of the Twelve Statuettes of Gladolfera.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; - A statuette ?&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; - It is written on the Tablets of Syeloss that only an one-legged gnome from the northern forests,&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; dancing by starlight during a full moon in the middle of the Twelves Statuettes wrapped in ham would&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; open the Gate of Zoralback and fulfill the Prophecy.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; - But what is that strange prophecy ?&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; - No idea. We're motivated by wealth.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; - Nevermind. A prophecy it's always so cute !&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; - It depends. Sometimes, it's about destroying the world...&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; From the Dungeon of Naheulbeuk, a pretty silly MP3 adventure.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Posts: 1472 | From: Somewhere in France | Registered: Dec 2000&nbsp; |&nbsp; IP: Logged &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Aloïsius &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member # 2977 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; posted December 05, 2001 04:58 PM&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;Well, the gnome rep has said it all. But, if someone has not understood what is the true goal of&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Estlor, I will expose it. I' must have recognize it before, this biterness, this nihilism, this feeling of loss&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; and despair... Such things happen when one pains is to great for his will. Look ! This man, while&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; speaking of forsaking the powers that are parts of our univers, while claiming its indepandency, is in&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; fact the living puppet of one of these power. And, being blind to this fact, he is so easily manipulable.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; What does he propose ? Let the weave die. What happens when the weave die somewhere ? There&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; appear a zone of dead magic, in which no magic, be it arcane or divine, no psionic will never work. No&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; magic ? Indeed, there will be a way to cast spell in a dead magic zone : You have to use the Shadow&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Weave. You have to bow to the will of Shar. I haven't remembering the story of Toril without purpose :&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; now you can know that if you let the weave die, Shar will become all powerful. She will be able to&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; extinct the Sun, to kill Selune. This will be the reign of darkness, and Toril will be a frozen place of&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; despair, where one live without any hope, other than death, and the peace that will come with the&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; extinction of one's painful consciousness.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; By the way, I don't think Estlor is the ambassador of the Maztican Elves no more. He just call for the&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; destruction of what is the very base of their way of life. Elves without magic, or slaves of the Godess of&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Darkness...For the elves of Dawn Cities are neighbors of the Maztican Elves, I will ask them to contact&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; and inform their brethren.&quot; Hazedil phone to someone, and tell the recent behaviour of Estlor. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Posts: 345 | From: Montpellier, France | Registered: Mar 2001&nbsp; |&nbsp; IP: Logged &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Aloïsius &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Member # 2977 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; posted December 05, 2001 05:12 PM&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Edena, I think we need you. We are waiting many answer from some of your &quot;NPC&quot;.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Reprisal : Aloïsius has never entered, nor even heard of, Toril. Please speak to Hazedil&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; to all : That's so fun. Let's continue ! &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Posts: 345 | From: Montpellier, France | Registered: Mar 2001&nbsp; |&nbsp; IP: Logged</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Edena_of_Neith, post: 1304753, member: 2020"] [b](Post 24) The Second IR[/b] Bagguns Member Member # 523 posted December 05, 2001 12:39 PM Slaazor addresses Zouron: "Be careful with your words mage, you do not speak for all present, nor do you understand the gravity of the situation." To the rest of the reps: "There are those amongst you who say we outfreyn beings have no right to come here, for this war and conference is not our business. Did you not hear the words of AO? Should Toril be destroyed ALL realms perish, we Slaadi have a vested interest in this whether you acknowledge it or no, and if we must save you from yourselves, for the sake of our plane and those peoples who populate it...we will." Edit: edited for spelling, and some missing words [ December 05, 2001: Message edited by: Bagguns ] -------------------- Evolve or Die. Entropy Sucks. Posts: 189 | From: Cookstown/McGuire AFB, NJ | Registered: Dec 2000 | IP: Logged Semirhage Member Member # 8099 posted December 05, 2001 12:56 PM Valkys addresses Slaazor: "Ao said that the destruction of Toril would 'resonate' in other realms, ie. they would be affected in some manor. As Toril is but a single planet in the Crystal Sphere of Realmspace, I find it unrealistic to imagine that its destruction will trigger the end of everything. "If Ao would care to contradict my understanding of the situation, then I would be happy to hear him. Otherwise, Toril is but one world among hundreds of millions. That should make you all feel small and insignificant, so quit arguing." Valkys continues, addressing the entire gathering: "You are nothing more than a gathering of insects. You threaten because you feel that you are all important, but consider. The gods can crush you, Ao can crush the gods. Even your weapons of mass destruction are entirely insignificant. The Elder Beings are the equivalent of a Hurricane. They'll destroy the Anthill, and everything around it, but they'll eventually get bored and go away. They are completely out of the Pherimm's control, like any other force of nature. Once you've destroyed your world, you prove how truly tiny you were to begin with. So, my advice to you all is to STOP THREATENING EVERYONE ELSE. Act like sentient beings. Discuss the issues, come to a compromise, and ensure your continued existence in a semblance of peace." Posts: 31 | Registered: Oct 2001 | IP: Logged Bagguns Member Member # 523 posted December 05, 2001 01:08 PM quote: Originally posted by Semirhage: Valkys addresses Slaazor: "Ao said that the destruction of Toril would 'resonate' in other realms, ie. they would be affected in some manor. As Toril is but a single planet in the Crystal Sphere of Realmspace, I find it unrealistic to imagine that its destruction will trigger the end of everything. Addressing Valkys "AO also said the Unmaking of all existance was at hand, and those in far flung realms would not be saved, only AO. I take the Overgod at his word, and have responded accordingly...the Chaos gates have been suspended...for the time being. I will however unleash their energies to stop any aggression from any nation...if they truly care for their people they will look to their immediate survival and not imminent war once Chaos reigns. If they do not then we are all truly lost." "Chaos brings change not wanton destruction, ours is not so much a "doomsday weapon" rather an attempt to stop both doomsday weapons and armies from ravaging this planet." -------------------- Evolve or Die. Entropy Sucks. Posts: 189 | From: Cookstown/McGuire AFB, NJ | Registered: Dec 2000 | IP: Logged zouron Member Member # 3707 posted December 05, 2001 01:55 PM *zouron glares at slaazar* Careful what I say? well try prove me wrong if you so dare. I might not speak for all but I have no itnerest in abiding by your command what so ever, I care for people living on this planet, not for that pathetic place of instability you call home. I defiantely understand the situation, I unlike you know this from the very start! from before this assembly was anmything but a bunch of normal folks. *zouron turns to Moriarty* Well I don't care what your cliant thinks! honestly they could roast over a fire for all I care. Secondly you adn your so called client, if ther eindeed is a such, should get glasses, I am very much alive and very human still. -------------------- Alone is something we all are only far away voices breaks the silence whom wish to escape this labyrinth of loneliness we fumble our way, but finds nothing because here are no walls only the fear's angst keeps us apart Posts: 158 | From: Hvidovre, Denmark | Registered: Apr 2001 | IP: Logged Reprisal Member Member # 2368 posted December 05, 2001 01:58 PM quote: Finally, I would like to assure the representative of the Technomancy that were the Humanoids allowed in the Commonwealth, we would not use our power to do anything nifty like make elves our slaves, etc. As we would feel much more secure from attack, the speed at which we started to get along with the elfies would probably be accelerated noticeably. But the ball is in your court . . . "If this is truly the case, I will do what I can to force the issue with the parties and member-states back home. It will not be something that can be done in a matter of days, or even weeks. If I were to win the Presidential election, perhaps I will be able to use that leverage to convince the many wary members of the Chamber and Senate. As I have said before, the decision was not mine alone to make. "Alosius, as far as the location of the World Council Organization is concerned, we're not too picky. The location of the capital of the Technocratic Commonwealth, although, has already been chosen. It's walls have already been constructed and our government members have already moved to the capital city. "On the other hand, our system of government has been shown to you and it is, indeed, a fair and just government. On that note, I would inform the gnomish representative that the allegations of crimes made by the gnomish people are simply that, allegations. Personally, I do not believe that you had such a hand in such awful things, but, if there is some actual proof of it being so, however unlikely, there would be little we could do on moral grounds to ignore it." ((I plan on having my character run for the Presidency on his ability to get the World Council Organization going. As soon as he is elected, I will place people who are a bit more open-minded in places of power. That way, I would have a much larger chance of having the Parliament accept the entrance of the humanoid alliance. Concessions would have to be made, however, probably by both sides.)) [ December 05, 2001: Message edited by: Reprisal ] -------------------- "Intelligence in chains loses in lucidity what it gains in intensity." - Albert Camus Posts: 223 | From: Parksville, BC, Canada | Registered: Feb 2001 | IP: Logged Estlor Member Member # 62 posted December 05, 2001 02:23 PM I know well Toril's history. What I ask others to see is not the past, but the future. The events before the war are irrelevant. How the gods drew their power before the Time of Troubles is irrelevant. What is relevant is this (and I suggest you listen). We fought a war. A war to end all wars. But why did we fight this war? What were the roots of the conflict? In the end it boils down to perspective. The war began as a conflict of those looking forward against those looking back. The technocrats sought to improve themselves. The greens clung to their old ways and old gods. Progress won in the end. The old ways no longer have a place on Toril, and that includes the old gods and the old teachings. From this point on the only people that matter are the mortals. The only decisions that should be made are by us. The ignorant and the immature that cling to their gods to show them enlightenment and the "correct path" belong to an era that is no more. The gods are no longer needed. But, perhaps some are too blind to see or admit this. If your god cared for you, why did your god permit this? Do we serve the gods, or do the gods serve us? Who really needs who more? I stand here before you, a man who has not put his faith in a god since the war ended. The death of the elves showed me this was unnecessary. Prayer to and faith in their pantheon did nothing to save them. But since then, hard work and perseverance has kept me alive, not gods. Only a fool clings to them in this new world. If there is to be a peace in this world, it should be a peace of our own choosing and our own creation. The audacity of the Chosen to call us all here only proves their will to return to a position of power among us. I saw the war first hand. I led armies in it. I face the blame for it all. And through that I have learned this truth. My only wish is to see that others learn from me, lest the world create another Estlor to fight anew. -------------------- The Lighthouse Webmaster "More conversions, less talk." Posts: 514 | Registered: Dec 2000 | IP: Logged zouron Member Member # 3707 posted December 05, 2001 02:35 PM I agree with estlor on what he said, it is us mortals occupants of this world that decide it's faith, not gods, not outsiders, but those that led progress, through armies and negotiations. I too was out there in the battle field, though compared to some a lesser degree, but never the less, I dare say that we should decide. -------------------- Alone is something we all are only far away voices breaks the silence whom wish to escape this labyrinth of loneliness we fumble our way, but finds nothing because here are no walls only the fear's angst keeps us apart Posts: 158 | From: Hvidovre, Denmark | Registered: Apr 2001 | IP: Logged DocMoriartty Member Member # 8593 posted December 05, 2001 03:16 PM "I see associating with the dead has dulled your senses. I would expect no better from a magical necrophile. Maybe if you paid attention to what was said you would not sound like some petty mage that takes pleasure in acting so juvenile." quote: Originally posted by zouron: *zouron turns to Moriarty* Well I don't care what your cliant thinks! honestly they could roast over a fire for all I care. Secondly you adn your so called client, if ther eindeed is a such, should get glasses, I am very much alive and very human still. [ December 05, 2001: Message edited by: DocMoriartty ] Posts: 135 | From: Chicago burbs | Registered: Nov 2001 | IP: Logged Joren Member Member # 1869 posted December 05, 2001 03:49 PM Ao smiles at the words of Estlor. He speaks: You who are gathered here should consider carefully the words of the one named Estlor. He speaks profoundly. Consider carefully what it is the Gods are to you. Consider carefully the ramifications of a world without their presence. Choose your path. Focus turns now to Valkys . . . The (a word is spoken which minds interpret as "multiverse") is more complex than you understand. What is the consequence on other realms of the destruction of Toril? The information already exchanged at this gathering should suffice to give you some glimpse of the outcome . . . Consider what has been threatened already, and if such things could come to pass . . . Posts: 21 | Registered: Feb 2001 | IP: Logged Gez Member Member # 444 posted December 05, 2001 03:50 PM "As the representative of the Gnome, I have to talk once again." *Adressing Reprisal* "I'd like you to reconsider Hazedil's suggestion. We offered to help you and them to create the capitol, and we can already show you several conceptual designs of how it could look like." *The holographic projection of a fantastic city, blending high-tech and nature, glass and trees, steel and rock, water and concrete, magic and technology appear.* "As you can say, this place would be cosmopolitan to the extreme, showing to the whole world the true nature of democracy and tolerance. Furthermore, it would be a "living" example that knowledge of magic and knowledge of science works well together." *Looking to Valkys* "I don't understand why, because natural laws are different in another planes, natural laws of this very plane should change. Your example about gravity on the Plane of Faerie has no relevance to the interactions between technology and magic." *Turning toward Moriartty* "Listen, my good mister. Your hatred toward our kind is very visible, and begins to be boring. We offered you to raise your son, along with important compensations, you didn't even bothered to answer, not, I guess, to listen. This shows very clearly you in fact want to have a pretext for legal assassination of our whole race, no doubt about that. Let it be known several basic facts." "The destruction of Shadowdale, and of its inhabitants, was an act of war. Acts of war are outside the juridiction of civilian trials." "If it were relevant, the immense number of other atrocities that happened during this war -- and I am well placed to know that a great proportion of those atrocities were commited against us, suffice to say we were forced to retreat to a demiplane hidden in the Golden Hills to avoid extinction and that most of our deceased would have preferred to die instantly vaporized by a nuclear blast rather than through the awful methods of their enemies -- would make that this particular matter would not be judged before about 1200 years (rough estimation from our lawyers and historians)." "This act of war was made without inflicting torture or pain, and was targeted at a particular location, not at a whole race. This isn't, thus, a genocide. Only genocide being imprescriptible, this affairs can not be judged by posterior laws or exterior justice. No court or juridiction of any kind have survived from the concerned parties since this act happened, so noone is legitimate to judge it." "Finally, as part of the Peace Effort that settled the reconstruction of Toril, a general amnisty was declared. Otherwise you should have to put about the three quarters of all the administrative, executive and military staff of each involved country, which means every countries as this was a world war." *The gnome's image turns toward Estlor, and flickers brievly as a quickly repressed anger change his appearance to that of a mole for one mere second* "For example, we won't asks for the arrest and trial of this leader of terrorist, who cautionned many tragic assassination and sabotages, played an important part in the launching of the war, and could conceivably be considered as one of the worse criminals here." "We won't, because we're wise, we know that what has happened has happened, and that after such a cataclysm we should rebuild the world anew rather than shake a dagger in the wounds of the past." "We won't, because we're wise and we do know that now is a time of forgiveness and future, not anger, hatred and grievance." "Estlor, you should know that faith in the land is faith in the Goddess Chauntea, whose body is Toril. You should also know that the magic here is not like the magic in Oerth or Mystara. This is a far less controllable power. The weave allow to channel it into spells similar to those possible on other worlds. Without the Weave, the only magic possible is the crude spellfire. Or the insidious magic of the Shadow Weave. Without Mystra or Shar, only a crude form of magic is possible here. Even innate magical powers, such as those of a fey, a dragon or a sorcerer must pass by a Weave." "You should also know that much of the technology would not be reliable without magic. To take a simple example, any electronic engine is infused with Abjuration spells for error handling and correction. And magic healing is still far more efficient than mundane healing. A spell will remove any poison, or any disease. By mundane way, you have a different medicine for each poison and each disease, some people develop allergy to these medecine, and a medecine is also a poison, so an error in a diagnostic can cost the life of a patient." "We understand your bitterness, but it's pointless to think that the Realms will survive -- or even worse, can only survive -- without gods and magic." "In fact, the fact that people believed technology will turn people back from the gods and magic involved a lots of factions into that war. Ignorant people that built their power on magic or faith, and that thought they needed to crush innovation to keep their power. They proved wrong." "The fact that their is a god of technology and scientifical research, Gond, and the fact that melding science and magic -- every kind of magic, from arcane to divine to psionic -- just prove that, in fact, nothing changed." "This war was started by mortals, so I agree it should be definitely ended by mortals. However, the Age of Insight will not change the relationship between mortals and divine, nor between mundane and magic. The Age of Insight will only change relationships between mortals. The Age of Insight will be based on the ideal of Democracy, Freedom, Equality and Progress." "This war was started, and willed, by mortals. The gods are not to blame, they only followed the wills of the mortals. Those that were opposed to the war were as numerous as those that were favorable, so the gods were powerless to influence Toril's fate." *Adressing the whole gathering* "We advocate that the Technocratic Commonwealth, from which we are a part, include the Humanoids in its ranks, as well as the Elves. We advocate that each race should get an equal voice in the Parliament and the Governement. We also advocate that concrete measure should be made to preserve the equilibrium of Abeir-Toril, at all levels. No more than 33% of each type of land on Toril should the Technocratic Commonwealth recover. Installations should be the less disruptive possible to its environment. This is possible, and we could finance the works with the revenue of our secret trading post of Pontopiddan, in the Gem layer of the Elemental Plane of Earth." -------------------- "What's our mission ? - We must get the last of the Twelve Statuettes of Gladolfera. - A statuette ? - It is written on the Tablets of Syeloss that only an one-legged gnome from the northern forests, dancing by starlight during a full moon in the middle of the Twelves Statuettes wrapped in ham would open the Gate of Zoralback and fulfill the Prophecy. - But what is that strange prophecy ? - No idea. We're motivated by wealth. - Nevermind. A prophecy it's always so cute ! - It depends. Sometimes, it's about destroying the world..." From the Dungeon of Naheulbeuk, a pretty silly MP3 adventure. Posts: 1472 | From: Somewhere in France | Registered: Dec 2000 | IP: Logged Aloïsius Member Member # 2977 posted December 05, 2001 04:58 PM "Well, the gnome rep has said it all. But, if someone has not understood what is the true goal of Estlor, I will expose it. I' must have recognize it before, this biterness, this nihilism, this feeling of loss and despair... Such things happen when one pains is to great for his will. Look ! This man, while speaking of forsaking the powers that are parts of our univers, while claiming its indepandency, is in fact the living puppet of one of these power. And, being blind to this fact, he is so easily manipulable. What does he propose ? Let the weave die. What happens when the weave die somewhere ? There appear a zone of dead magic, in which no magic, be it arcane or divine, no psionic will never work. No magic ? Indeed, there will be a way to cast spell in a dead magic zone : You have to use the Shadow Weave. You have to bow to the will of Shar. I haven't remembering the story of Toril without purpose : now you can know that if you let the weave die, Shar will become all powerful. She will be able to extinct the Sun, to kill Selune. This will be the reign of darkness, and Toril will be a frozen place of despair, where one live without any hope, other than death, and the peace that will come with the extinction of one's painful consciousness. By the way, I don't think Estlor is the ambassador of the Maztican Elves no more. He just call for the destruction of what is the very base of their way of life. Elves without magic, or slaves of the Godess of Darkness...For the elves of Dawn Cities are neighbors of the Maztican Elves, I will ask them to contact and inform their brethren." Hazedil phone to someone, and tell the recent behaviour of Estlor. Posts: 345 | From: Montpellier, France | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged Aloïsius Member Member # 2977 posted December 05, 2001 05:12 PM Edena, I think we need you. We are waiting many answer from some of your "NPC". Reprisal : Aloïsius has never entered, nor even heard of, Toril. Please speak to Hazedil to all : That's so fun. Let's continue ! Posts: 345 | From: Montpellier, France | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged [/QUOTE]

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