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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 1992308" data-attributes="member: 2011">Where exactly does Hold Person state that (in the SRD)?Hold PersonEnchantment (Compulsion) [Mind-Affecting]Level: Brd 2, Clr 2, Sor/Wiz 3Components: V, S, F/DFCasting Time: 1 standard actionRange: Medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)Target: One humanoid creatureDuration: 1 round/level (D); see textSaving Throw: Will negates; see textSpell Resistance: YesThe subject becomes paralyzed and freezes in place. It is aware and breathes normally but cannot take any actions, even speech. Each round on its turn, the subject may attempt a new saving throw to end the effect. (This is a full-round action that does not provoke attacks of opportunity.)A winged creature who is paralyzed cannot flap its wings and falls. A swimmer can’t swim and may drown.Arcane Focus: A small, straight piece of iron.The definition of helpless doesn't change."A helpless character is paralyzed, held, bound, sleeping, unconscious, or otherwise completely at an opponent's mercy. "Held is in italics in the definition because it means held as in hold person, not held as in grappled.Any character that is paralyzed, held, bound, sleeping, unconscious, or otherwise completely at an opponent's mercy is helpless. The cause is irrelevant.You can be asleep due to the Sleep spell, or you can be asleep due to being tired and you are still helpless.You can be bound with rope, or bound with chains, or bound with the Iron Bands and you are still helpless.Bind means bound, it does not mean grappled.</blockquote>

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