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<blockquote data-quote="kitcik" data-source="post: 5909906" data-attributes="member: 98256"><p>The description of the item does not use the word "grapple," although I certainly agree the effect is VERY similar.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>This is a very good analogy. I think it would work, my DM does not. That's his prerogative. </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>That was my reasoning in asking the druid to cast Freedom of Movement. Sadly, the DM did not agree. It did not help that the player who is the bard agreed with the DM. Keep in mind that the "discussion" lasted less than 5 seconds as we let the DM rulings stand without argument. It was:</p><p>Me: "Please cast Freedom of Movement."</p><p>Druid: "OK, I cast it."</p><p>DM: "No effect."</p><p>Me: "But it helps with escape artist checks."</p><p>DM: "This is not a grapple."</p><p>Bard: "I agree."</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>The fight: illusion of a normal town suddenly turns into BBEG (druid), his lieutenant (wizard), his red riding dragon (not that big), and a bunch of bozak fodder.</p><p> </p><p>They got surprise. BBEG nails me with Iron Bands.</p><p>BBEG rolls natural 20 for initiative (he really did). I roll poorly and go near the end of the party (this encounter happened while a bunch of our magic items were in the process of being upgraded, so I had no init boosting items).</p><p>1</p><p>BBEG casts Blade Barrier in a circle around the two of us.</p><p>I try to teleport out of Bands (using Boots of Swift Passage - move action). No effect. Unsure why at that time.</p><p>I try to break free from Bands with my standard action. With Str 22, I roll a 19 and fail. Realize I need help and call out.</p><p>Druid summons a Greater Earth Elemental into the circle.</p><p>2</p><p>BBEG casts a spell. No apparent effect. (we think he tried to Dispel the Elemental and screwed his roll)</p><p>Elemental and I try to break bands together. He rolls 16 + 10 Str + 2 from my assist = 28. Fail. We didn't know at the time that it was close.</p><p>Lieutenant Dispels the Earth Elemental</p><p>Ranger moves through the blade barrier ethereally, but still takes damage as the DM rules that the force blades extend to ethereal plane.</p><p>3</p><p>BBEG does something offensive to ranger. I forget what.</p><p>Ranger makes me ethereal with an item. I still cannot get out.</p><p>Druid casts FoM at my request. No effect.</p><p> </p><p>At this point, a LOT of actions have been wasted trying to free me while the bad guys have been wailing away. The party gives up and decides to go on full offensive vs. the baddies and just leave me be. They figure that as long as they apply pressure to the BBEG, he will not have time to finish me off - and in that, they were correct.</p><p> </p><p>Eventually, the BBEG heals his (badly wounded) dragon and flies away. With a 150' flight speed, we could not catch him. We kill the lieutenant (who was a decent level wizard) and all the bozaks.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kitcik, post: 5909906, member: 98256"] The description of the item does not use the word "grapple," although I certainly agree the effect is VERY similar. This is a very good analogy. I think it would work, my DM does not. That's his prerogative. That was my reasoning in asking the druid to cast Freedom of Movement. Sadly, the DM did not agree. It did not help that the player who is the bard agreed with the DM. Keep in mind that the "discussion" lasted less than 5 seconds as we let the DM rulings stand without argument. It was: Me: "Please cast Freedom of Movement." Druid: "OK, I cast it." DM: "No effect." Me: "But it helps with escape artist checks." DM: "This is not a grapple." Bard: "I agree." The fight: illusion of a normal town suddenly turns into BBEG (druid), his lieutenant (wizard), his red riding dragon (not that big), and a bunch of bozak fodder. They got surprise. BBEG nails me with Iron Bands. BBEG rolls natural 20 for initiative (he really did). I roll poorly and go near the end of the party (this encounter happened while a bunch of our magic items were in the process of being upgraded, so I had no init boosting items). 1 BBEG casts Blade Barrier in a circle around the two of us. I try to teleport out of Bands (using Boots of Swift Passage - move action). No effect. Unsure why at that time. I try to break free from Bands with my standard action. With Str 22, I roll a 19 and fail. Realize I need help and call out. Druid summons a Greater Earth Elemental into the circle. 2 BBEG casts a spell. No apparent effect. (we think he tried to Dispel the Elemental and screwed his roll) Elemental and I try to break bands together. He rolls 16 + 10 Str + 2 from my assist = 28. Fail. We didn't know at the time that it was close. Lieutenant Dispels the Earth Elemental Ranger moves through the blade barrier ethereally, but still takes damage as the DM rules that the force blades extend to ethereal plane. 3 BBEG does something offensive to ranger. I forget what. Ranger makes me ethereal with an item. I still cannot get out. Druid casts FoM at my request. No effect. At this point, a LOT of actions have been wasted trying to free me while the bad guys have been wailing away. The party gives up and decides to go on full offensive vs. the baddies and just leave me be. They figure that as long as they apply pressure to the BBEG, he will not have time to finish me off - and in that, they were correct. Eventually, the BBEG heals his (badly wounded) dragon and flies away. With a 150' flight speed, we could not catch him. We kill the lieutenant (who was a decent level wizard) and all the bozaks. [/QUOTE]
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