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<blockquote data-quote="Syrsuro" data-source="post: 4482917" data-attributes="member: 58162"><p>I think its pretty clear (i.e. the RAI is very clear so the problems with interpreting the RAW only occur if you are looking for ways to mis-interpret it).</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff">Iron Dragon Charge </span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></strong></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #ffffff">Warlord Attack 9</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'MentorStd-Italic'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorStd-Italic'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Like a rampaging iron dragon, you hurl yourself at your adversary,</span></span></span></span></em></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorStd-Italic'"><em><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorStd-Italic'">landing a terrific blow that inspires your allies to charge as</span></span></em></span></span> </p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorStd-Italic'"><em><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorStd-Italic'">well.</span></span></em></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"><strong><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Daily </span></span></span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'ZapfDingbats'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'ZapfDingbats'"><span style="font-size: 9px">✦ </span></span></span></span><strong><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Martial,Weapon</span></span></span></span></strong></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><strong><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'">Standard Action Melee </span></span></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 9px">weapon</span></span></span></span></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Target: </span></span></span></span></strong></p><p><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 9px">One creature</span></span></span></span></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Attack: </span></span></span></span></strong></p><p><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Strength vs. AC</span></span></span></span></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Special: </span></span></span></span></strong></p><p><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 9px">You must charge as part of this attack.</span></span></span></span></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Hit: </span></span></span></span></strong></p><p><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 9px">3[W] + Strength modifier damage.</span></span></span></span></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd-Bold'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Effect: </span></span></span></span></strong></p><p><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Until the end of the encounter, as an immediate</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'">reaction, an ally of your choice within 5 squares of you can</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'">charge a target that you charge.</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Repeat: Until the end of the encounter as an <em>immediate reaction, an ally </em>of your choice within 5 squares of you can charge <em>a target that you charge.</em></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 10px">In other words: IF in any round before the end of the encounter (including but not limited to the round in which the power is first used) you charge a target, you can choose a single ally who can - as an immediate reaction - also charge that same ally. If, during any round, you do not charge a target you do not allow an ally to make a free charge either.</span></span></span></p><p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 10px">And <em>an ally</em> means<em> an ally</em>. There is no way that this language can be construed to allow one instance of this power to allow more than one ally per turn to make a follow up charge (for multiple instances of IDC see below).</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Because each occurance is a separate immediate reaction (i.e. because each time you charge triggers a new immediate reaction), you get to pick a new charge-buddy to be your ally (subject to range restriction) but you both have to charge the same target.</span></span></p><p></span></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 10px">The only area of ambiguity I see is the range - is that within five squares of you when you initiate the charge or at the completion of the charge.</span></span></p><p></span></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 10px">This seems pretty clear and, aside from the detail mentioned above, I don't see the ambiguity.</span></span></p><p></span></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 10px">And the rare case where you have multiple warlords all using the same power is an odd corner case but yes, it would allow the players to chain charges. Player A (with IDC active) charges target X, allowing Player B (with IDC active) to also charge target X. Player B then allows player C to also charge target X, etc. But a) I don't see this as a likely occurance and b) Since each character can only use one immediate per turn this only allows a maximum of one extra charge per round per character regardless of how many of them have used IDC (and there is a practical limit on how many characters can charge the same target anyway).</span></span></p><p></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorSansStd'">Carl</span></span></p><p></span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Syrsuro, post: 4482917, member: 58162"] I think its pretty clear (i.e. the RAI is very clear so the problems with interpreting the RAW only occur if you are looking for ways to mis-interpret it). [B][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][SIZE=3][COLOR=#ffffff][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][SIZE=3][COLOR=#ffffff][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][SIZE=3][COLOR=#ffffff]Iron Dragon Charge [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [LEFT][FONT=MentorSansStd][SIZE=1][COLOR=#ffffff][FONT=MentorSansStd][SIZE=1][COLOR=#ffffff][FONT=MentorSansStd][SIZE=1][COLOR=#ffffff]Warlord Attack 9[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [I][FONT=MentorStd-Italic][SIZE=1][FONT=MentorStd-Italic][SIZE=1]Like a rampaging iron dragon, you hurl yourself at your adversary,[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I] [SIZE=1][FONT=MentorStd-Italic][I][SIZE=1][FONT=MentorStd-Italic]landing a terrific blow that inspires your allies to charge as[/FONT][/SIZE][/I][/FONT][/SIZE] [LEFT][SIZE=1][FONT=MentorStd-Italic][I][SIZE=1][FONT=MentorStd-Italic]well.[/FONT][/SIZE][/I][/FONT][/SIZE] [B][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][SIZE=1][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][SIZE=1]Daily [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/LEFT] [FONT=ZapfDingbats][SIZE=1][FONT=ZapfDingbats][SIZE=1]✦ [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][SIZE=1][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][SIZE=1]Martial,Weapon[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [SIZE=1][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][B][SIZE=1][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold]Standard Action Melee [/FONT][/SIZE][/B][/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=MentorSansStd][SIZE=1][FONT=MentorSansStd][SIZE=1]weapon[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [B][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][SIZE=1][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][SIZE=1]Target: [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [FONT=MentorSansStd][SIZE=1][FONT=MentorSansStd][SIZE=1]One creature[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [B][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][SIZE=1][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][SIZE=1]Attack: [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [FONT=MentorSansStd][SIZE=1][FONT=MentorSansStd][SIZE=1]Strength vs. AC[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [B][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][SIZE=1][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][SIZE=1]Special: [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [FONT=MentorSansStd][SIZE=1][FONT=MentorSansStd][SIZE=1]You must charge as part of this attack.[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [B][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][SIZE=1][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][SIZE=1]Hit: [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [FONT=MentorSansStd][SIZE=1][FONT=MentorSansStd][SIZE=1]3[W] + Strength modifier damage.[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [B][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][SIZE=1][FONT=MentorSansStd-Bold][SIZE=1]Effect: [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [FONT=MentorSansStd][SIZE=1][FONT=MentorSansStd][SIZE=1]Until the end of the encounter, as an immediate[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][FONT=MentorSansStd][SIZE=1][FONT=MentorSansStd]reaction, an ally of your choice within 5 squares of you can[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][FONT=MentorSansStd][SIZE=1][FONT=MentorSansStd]charge a target that you charge.[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][FONT=MentorSansStd] [SIZE=1][FONT=MentorSansStd][SIZE=2][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][FONT=MentorSansStd][SIZE=2]Repeat: Until the end of the encounter as an [I]immediate reaction, an ally [/I]of your choice within 5 squares of you can charge [I]a target that you charge.[/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE] [LEFT][SIZE=1][FONT=MentorSansStd][SIZE=2]In other words: IF in any round before the end of the encounter (including but not limited to the round in which the power is first used) you charge a target, you can choose a single ally who can - as an immediate reaction - also charge that same ally. If, during any round, you do not charge a target you do not allow an ally to make a free charge either.[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/LEFT] [LEFT][SIZE=1][SIZE=2]And [I]an ally[/I] means[I] an ally[/I]. There is no way that this language can be construed to allow one instance of this power to allow more than one ally per turn to make a follow up charge (for multiple instances of IDC see below).[/SIZE][/SIZE][/LEFT][SIZE=1] [LEFT][FONT=MentorSansStd][SIZE=2]Because each occurance is a separate immediate reaction (i.e. because each time you charge triggers a new immediate reaction), you get to pick a new charge-buddy to be your ally (subject to range restriction) but you both have to charge the same target.[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=MentorSansStd][SIZE=2]The only area of ambiguity I see is the range - is that within five squares of you when you initiate the charge or at the completion of the charge.[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=MentorSansStd][SIZE=2]This seems pretty clear and, aside from the detail mentioned above, I don't see the ambiguity.[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=MentorSansStd][SIZE=2]And the rare case where you have multiple warlords all using the same power is an odd corner case but yes, it would allow the players to chain charges. Player A (with IDC active) charges target X, allowing Player B (with IDC active) to also charge target X. Player B then allows player C to also charge target X, etc. But a) I don't see this as a likely occurance and b) Since each character can only use one immediate per turn this only allows a maximum of one extra charge per round per character regardless of how many of them have used IDC (and there is a practical limit on how many characters can charge the same target anyway).[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][SIZE=2][FONT=MentorSansStd]Carl[/FONT][/SIZE][/LEFT] [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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