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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DrSpunj" data-source="post: 2557929" data-attributes="member: 994">That's a good point, and there's obviously a balance to be found there in any given combat, but I think the Armiger would usually be better off not using a Defensive Challenge when facing such a Power Attacking opponent. As you say, -6 Defense for +3 DR just isn't worth it if they can effectively keep the same odds of hitting with a -6 Attack for +12 damage. You come out +9 damage behind every time, which means the Armiger's better off leaving his AC up there and doesn't have to mess around with the Shields & Defense feats at all. When he does get hit by a Power Attacker he's going to get tokens more quickly, so in that sense it actually helps him to forego the Defensive Challenge.But the Shield & Defense feats continue to essentially screw up his chances at absorbing damage from every non-Power Attacking opponent out there (and I'd expect the majority to not be using Power Attack feats) and it also leaves his feat slots free for some offensive oomph, which I think most would agree he can use. Remember, the Armor Mastery feats play right into his schtick, so there's where I'd expect most Armigers to focus a lot of their feats. That doesn't leave too many to pick up some other tricks to spice his play up a bit. Using even more feat slots to play further with his Defensive side just seems to corral him into the One-Trick Pony show IMO.Again, I haven't seen one in play at all, so I'm looking for opinions from those that have. I'd appreciate a little background to let me know what level(s) the Armiger was, what enemies he was up against, what his presence allowed his party members to do with their classes, etc. We've seen quite a few posts from those on the "Armiger is okay" side, with good thoughts, but I've not seen anyone identify themselves as an Armiger player or DM.Thanks,DrSpunj</blockquote>

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