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<blockquote data-quote="Felon" data-source="post: 4051173" data-attributes="member: 8158">Well, I'm in an Iron Heroes campaign that is slowly dying as more and more warts are uncovered. On the one hand, IH wants you to do wild stunts--swinging from chandeliers and jumping on top of barrels and whatnot; on the other hand, it not only retains full-round attack actions, but thanks to certain feat chains and class abilities, allows for even more attacks than D&amp;D. There's no tactical advantage that I can get from swinging from a chandelier that is going to match what I can get by standing still and making six or seven attacks in a round. On the one hand, IH wants you to use various token pools as a kind of tactical mini-game, which is a wonderful idea in the abstract; on the other, token pools in practice tend to require so much effort to build up that by the time you're ready to spend them, it's too late. There's a real lousy economy at work, where characters have to trade off actions in order to generate tokens for future use, then they have to bank those tokens on an attack roll that might miss outright. Most of the sub-10th-level token abilities really stink too. I mean really, I've played a weaponmaster and executioner, and I openly regard their token abilities as trash.That's just the tip of the turdberg. IH is a great rough draft for an RPG, but it badly needs a new edition, and that's without regard to 4e.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Felon, post: 4051173, member: 8158"] Well, I'm in an Iron Heroes campaign that is slowly dying as more and more warts are uncovered. On the one hand, IH wants you to do wild stunts--swinging from chandeliers and jumping on top of barrels and whatnot; on the other hand, it not only retains full-round attack actions, but thanks to certain feat chains and class abilities, allows for even more attacks than D&D. There's no tactical advantage that I can get from swinging from a chandelier that is going to match what I can get by standing still and making six or seven attacks in a round. On the one hand, IH wants you to use various token pools as a kind of tactical mini-game, which is a wonderful idea in the abstract; on the other, token pools in practice tend to require so much effort to build up that by the time you're ready to spend them, it's too late. There's a real lousy economy at work, where characters have to trade off actions in order to generate tokens for future use, then they have to bank those tokens on an attack roll that might miss outright. Most of the sub-10th-level token abilities really stink too. I mean really, I've played a weaponmaster and executioner, and I openly regard their token abilities as trash. That's just the tip of the turdberg. IH is a great rough draft for an RPG, but it badly needs a new edition, and that's without regard to 4e. [/QUOTE]

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