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Message: <blockquote data-quote="med stud" data-source="post: 2632466" data-attributes="member: 1211">I can see two things that seem to be important here:1) Without magic items, spellcasters becomes much more powerful than non-spellcasters. Sure, D&D is not about power yada yada, but it's not funny to play a fighter that gets outshined by the cleric every simple time. If I joined a game playing a fighter expecting to contribute to a party I would be very disappointed if I became a sidekick to the spellcasters at about lvl 5.2) If your players are complaining you might have to rethink your position. It's unnecessary to bring prestige into this. If it is that you absolutely can't have fun if the PCs have RAW magic items then you can tell them that and discuss if the campaign is worth continuing. If you think that you can put magic items in and you think the players will like it, then do it. If you don't like magic items but have no problems with PCs with many options I suggest giving Iron Heroes a try. It's not as complex as it sounds; it adds some complexity but by removing spells, magic items and wealth guidelines it really removes lots of complexity as well. You can stat up a lvl 20 PC/NPC in under 20 minutes in IH, I have never been able to do that in D&D.</blockquote>