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Message: <blockquote data-quote="buzzard" data-source="post: 2635792" data-attributes="member: 3003">The real question here is what is the party composed of. If the party is only non spellcasting people, than cutting the magic items is no biggie. However if you have half casters, and half fighters/rogues then the mundane folk are getting boned, unless you are restricting the casters harshly. At 9th level spellcasters are some pretty seriously powerful folk. They're throwing around flame strikes, teleport, walls of force and some pretty hefty stuff. A fighter , without any enhancement, is hitting things twice a round for fair damage(best would be around 2d6+8 or so+11 if raging) . Sure, they will have a good number of feats, but nobody can fool themselves into thinking feats are a match for spells. The thing about 3rd Ed which is nice is that it does pursue balance to make all the players avoid fifth wheel status. However the whole system ends up having to work together to achieve this. If you start fiddling with certain aspects, you will upset this balance and have to adjust even further. Now maybe the complainers are just twinks, but it is also possible they they are getting the short end of the stick. buzzard</blockquote>