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<blockquote data-quote="Tolen Mar" data-source="post: 2112361" data-attributes="member: 1295">I'm likely the odd one out here, but its okay by me if the warrior vs. dragon in the field fails.&nbsp; Mr. Mearls has repeatedly gone on about story elements vs. system elements.&nbsp; And one of the things that always bugged me about dragons in dnd is that any group of adventurers can walk up to a great Wyrm and hack it to pieces.Say what?&nbsp; Is this deities and demigods?What happened to the tales about the dragon being a massive, clever, hard to kill monster?&nbsp; Who in their right mind stands solo in a field and challenges a dragon?&nbsp; Even in movies that star dragonslayers, it often takes a small army of them.&nbsp; You have to find its lair, you have to find ways to ambush it and limit its abilities, and the whole time you are doing that, the beast is outthinking you.&nbsp; Lets face it, dragons in DnD are very intelligent creatures, they arent going to sit around and let you trap it.Now, if you make that lone warrior Arnold Swarzenneger (however the heck thats spelled), and let him have a couple of weeks to set traps ala 'Predator' he might be able to overcome.&nbsp; But just like in that movie, a properly played dragon becomes deadly the moment he steps up and tries to handle it one on one.And yes, I am aware that myth and legend says it can be done, but its always been ambush or a very well placed shot using information gained from another source.&nbsp; Bard would never have killed smaug if Bilbo hadnt spotted the weak spot, and Sigurd hid out waiting for the thing to walk over the hole he was in to get the sweet spot in the belly.&nbsp; Neither of those examples is a lone warrior out in the open.Now, for the flip side of the argument.&nbsp; Dragon notwithstanding...I really look forward to seeing this.&nbsp; One of the things that bugs me the most is that regardless of what class I build, its my gear that defeats the monsters, not my character.&nbsp;&nbsp; If Iron Lore really fixes that, Im golden.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tolen Mar, post: 2112361, member: 1295"] I'm likely the odd one out here, but its okay by me if the warrior vs. dragon in the field fails. Mr. Mearls has repeatedly gone on about story elements vs. system elements. And one of the things that always bugged me about dragons in dnd is that any group of adventurers can walk up to a great Wyrm and hack it to pieces. Say what? Is this deities and demigods? What happened to the tales about the dragon being a massive, clever, hard to kill monster? Who in their right mind stands solo in a field and challenges a dragon? Even in movies that star dragonslayers, it often takes a small army of them. You have to find its lair, you have to find ways to ambush it and limit its abilities, and the whole time you are doing that, the beast is outthinking you. Lets face it, dragons in DnD are very intelligent creatures, they arent going to sit around and let you trap it. Now, if you make that lone warrior Arnold Swarzenneger (however the heck thats spelled), and let him have a couple of weeks to set traps ala 'Predator' he might be able to overcome. But just like in that movie, a properly played dragon becomes deadly the moment he steps up and tries to handle it one on one. And yes, I am aware that myth and legend says it can be done, but its always been ambush or a very well placed shot using information gained from another source. Bard would never have killed smaug if Bilbo hadnt spotted the weak spot, and Sigurd hid out waiting for the thing to walk over the hole he was in to get the sweet spot in the belly. Neither of those examples is a lone warrior out in the open. Now, for the flip side of the argument. Dragon notwithstanding...I really look forward to seeing this. One of the things that bugs me the most is that regardless of what class I build, its my gear that defeats the monsters, not my character. If Iron Lore really fixes that, Im golden. [/QUOTE]

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