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<blockquote data-quote="Mac Callum" data-source="post: 2273495" data-attributes="member: 17035">What do you want, Wulf?&nbsp; Mike's already admitted that IL characters should be about par with PHB characters of the same level.&nbsp; For that to work you have to make up for the item &amp; spell granted boosts somehow.AFAIC, the only reason that these adjustments have been made are so that I, as a DM, do not have to re-figure every CR in all of the Monster Supplements I own.&nbsp; AFAIC, that's a huge favor.&nbsp; This is a Good Thing.&nbsp; Grim Tales is terribly interesting and thought provoking, but the CR / EL tables are a lot of work.&nbsp; I can't do it on the fly, and it would be nice to just run an adventure out of Dungeon or what-have-you without having to recompute every encounter.&nbsp; There is absolutely no reason why an IL-only campaign can't be as gritty as you want.&nbsp; Just disallow Arcanists, get rid of all the monsters, and make all of the NPC enemies humans with class levels on par with the PC's.&nbsp; That way all of the Defenses Bonuses and Advanced BAB progressions just come out in the wash and you're left with a always-life-threatening slug-fest.I wanted to move on, but it was posts like this, which harp on how IL keeps disappointing you, that made me make the original 'churlish' comment.&nbsp; It disappoints you.&nbsp; Fine.&nbsp; We know.&nbsp; Can we move on now?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mac Callum, post: 2273495, member: 17035"] What do you want, Wulf? Mike's already admitted that IL characters should be about par with PHB characters of the same level. For that to work you have to make up for the item & spell granted boosts somehow. AFAIC, the [I]only[/I] reason that these adjustments have been made are so that I, as a DM, do not have to re-figure every CR in all of the Monster Supplements I own. AFAIC, that's a huge favor. This is a Good Thing. Grim Tales is terribly interesting and thought provoking, but the CR / EL tables are a lot of work. I can't do it on the fly, and it would be nice to just run an adventure out of Dungeon or what-have-you without having to recompute every encounter. There is absolutely no reason why an IL-only campaign can't be as gritty as you want. Just disallow Arcanists, get rid of all the monsters, and make all of the NPC enemies humans with class levels on par with the PC's. That way all of the Defenses Bonuses and Advanced BAB progressions just come out in the wash and you're left with a always-life-threatening slug-fest. I wanted to move on, but it was posts like this, which harp on how IL keeps disappointing you, that made me make the original 'churlish' comment. It disappoints you. Fine. We know. Can we move on now? [/QUOTE]

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