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<blockquote data-quote="Mac Callum" data-source="post: 2274971" data-attributes="member: 17035"><p>I think it's more accurate to say that D&D hides its power-ups in items, while IL hides its power-ups in the class progression. (Of course, since everyone knows it's there, they're not too well hidden, really.) IL PC's are not item dependent.</p><p></p><p>I think the distinction between the items and the class progression is a pretty important one. As a DM you don't have to manage all the equipment for NPC's, or worry about the NPC's equipment falling into the hands of the PC's, making them too powerful. As a DM you can award your PC's with whatever you want - lands, titles, etc., without worrying that they'll somehow try to sell it for magical items. I can use Sunder on the PC's items without being a complete rat bastard. They can try to disarm an enemy, take his sword, and be just as effective. As a player you don't have to worry about getting nerfed because you lose the sword you sank 50,000 GP into. I mean, does Legolas prefer the bow from Lothlorien? Sure. Is he at a 5-level disadvantage without it? No.</p><p></p><p>The boosted progressions are just there to keep the classes in-line with the CR system. To date, that has been one of the biggest hang-ups for me.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Those are independent concepts.</p><p></p><p>This is a complete OT, nit-pick, but I'm pretty sure that wasn't Twain. I can't recall the name now, but I feel like it was a general in either the American Revolutionary or Civil War writing home to his father. I feel like it was the Revolutionary because my sense is that it was a Brit.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, my Google skills have failed me, and I can't find the quote.</p><p></p><p>I am of the opinion though that whenever someone comes across a pithy quote of unknown origin, there is a strong urge to attribute it to Mark Twain. As urges go, this probably isn't the least illogical.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mac Callum, post: 2274971, member: 17035"] I think it's more accurate to say that D&D hides its power-ups in items, while IL hides its power-ups in the class progression. (Of course, since everyone knows it's there, they're not too well hidden, really.) IL PC's are not item dependent. I think the distinction between the items and the class progression is a pretty important one. As a DM you don't have to manage all the equipment for NPC's, or worry about the NPC's equipment falling into the hands of the PC's, making them too powerful. As a DM you can award your PC's with whatever you want - lands, titles, etc., without worrying that they'll somehow try to sell it for magical items. I can use Sunder on the PC's items without being a complete rat bastard. They can try to disarm an enemy, take his sword, and be just as effective. As a player you don't have to worry about getting nerfed because you lose the sword you sank 50,000 GP into. I mean, does Legolas prefer the bow from Lothlorien? Sure. Is he at a 5-level disadvantage without it? No. The boosted progressions are just there to keep the classes in-line with the CR system. To date, that has been one of the biggest hang-ups for me. Those are independent concepts. This is a complete OT, nit-pick, but I'm pretty sure that wasn't Twain. I can't recall the name now, but I feel like it was a general in either the American Revolutionary or Civil War writing home to his father. I feel like it was the Revolutionary because my sense is that it was a Brit. Anyway, my Google skills have failed me, and I can't find the quote. I am of the opinion though that whenever someone comes across a pithy quote of unknown origin, there is a strong urge to attribute it to Mark Twain. As urges go, this probably isn't the least illogical. [/QUOTE]
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