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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JohnSnow" data-source="post: 2275762" data-attributes="member: 32164">Fundamental difference of opinion I guess. I think of Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser as gritty and heroic. Neither they, nor Conan, meet my definition of "Grim and Gritty." So I don't disagree that Iron Lore is not GnG, I just disagree with the assertion that because it's not, it doesn't represent early pulp sword & sorcery (Conan/Fafhrd/Mouser) well. But as you said, these things are highly subjective. Personally, I think of Lieber's Sword books as gritty, heroic fiction. Other than the elements of the Twain being manipulated by forces outside themselves, the stories aren't particularly "grim." Both of them live to a ripe old age, after all, and rampant death of protagonists is a pretty solid staple of GnG fiction. The fact that they take on Cthulu-esque nightmares and live to tell the tale makes the point even more solidly.Per the ability description, the arrows have to beat the wall's hardness. Per the 3.5 PHB, stone has a hardness of 8. So it's not possible to for an arrow to beat the hardness without either a critical hit (which don't apply to constructs/walls) or an extra strong bow.IF a stronger than average archer were to use a reasonable poundage (say 75 lb. draw weight?) bow to shoot arrows into a wall, you could produce a penetration high enough (300 psi+) to lodge the arrows in a wall. People in the modern era seriously underestimate the penetration power of a bow.Someone could then use those arrows as essentially footholds/handholds to climb up the wall. The only real problem is whether the arrows will break under the weight, not whether they'll fall out.I essentially see this as planting the arrows deep enough to turn them into pitons. And in a masonry or brick wall, you're probably shooting the arrows into the mortar, not lodging them in the bricks/stone. Difficult? Yes. Could I do it? Not on purpose, but I have missed and lodged an arrow between the bricks in a brick wall (with only a 30 lb. bow, I might add). So is it physically impossible? No.</blockquote>

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