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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dr. Strangemonkey" data-source="post: 2276345" data-attributes="member: 6533">Right I re-posted my response over in the other thread in question.  Interesting and enlightening claims.All I'd like to say is that I find it impossible to claim that Conan and Fafhrd/GM are not cinematic and thus in the same genre as the others.  There's a huge body of criticism, formal and informal, that harps on the cinematic quality of those stories as essential to their nature.  You could certainly say that those others belong in different sub-divisions of cinematic from Conan and Fafhrd/GM, but I don't think you can go so far as to deny that they don't share the action and material oriented qualities that all of them share as essential to their character.And Zorro you just can't say that at all.  Zorro as written and as played, at least for the most and best parts, is a very limited and realistic character in terms of what's possible for humans.  Douglas Fairbanks introduced a lot of acrobatics to the character, but Doug was actually that good and none of them required the truly elaborate preparation that Jackie does.  He didn't get shot that often, it's true, but I imagine that's true of most people who surprise small groups of Musket users at night with a melee weapon, speed, and a lot of capery.  Aside from those muskets and the lack of magic he's very much in that category and a pretty clear candidate for profound influence on F/GM.</blockquote>

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