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<blockquote data-quote="Mac Callum" data-source="post: 2277642" data-attributes="member: 17035">Ok, maybe I'm just being dumb, but I really don't see how the Arrow Ladder ability is &quot;wahoo.&quot;&nbsp; Of limited use, and likely to make infrequent appearances, yes, I can see that - but not wahoo.It's freakin arrows shot into a surface at regular intervals.&nbsp; What's so weird about that?&nbsp; I can do that.&nbsp; Maybe they wouldn't be lined up as nice as a &quot;real&quot; Archer could do it, but it's perfectly feasible.&nbsp; The Hardness rule prevents it from becoming wahoo.I think that's quite different from your walking on water ability - a skill no one has claimed is &quot;reasonable&quot; given known physics.&nbsp; If an IL stunt, feat, or yet-to-be-revealed class ability allows a PC to climb a wall by driving his hands through oak or stone, then yeah, that would be wahoo.&nbsp; Driving steel-tipped arrows into wood or flesh is perfectly reasonable.Unless of course, the &quot;wahoo&quot; part of Arrow Ladder is that the arrows could support someone's weight.&nbsp; In that case, yeah, it's a little out there - but the Hardness rule makes that neither harder nor easier to believe.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mac Callum, post: 2277642, member: 17035"] Ok, maybe I'm just being dumb, but I really don't see how the Arrow Ladder ability is "wahoo." Of limited use, and likely to make infrequent appearances, yes, I can see that - but not wahoo. It's freakin arrows shot into a surface at regular intervals. What's so weird about that? [I]I[/I] can do that. Maybe they wouldn't be lined up as nice as a "real" Archer could do it, but it's perfectly feasible. The Hardness rule [I]prevents[/I] it from becoming wahoo. I think that's quite different from your walking on water ability - a skill no one has claimed is "reasonable" given known physics. If an IL stunt, feat, or yet-to-be-revealed class ability allows a PC to climb a wall by driving his [I]hands [/I]through oak or stone, then yeah, that would be wahoo. Driving steel-tipped arrows into wood or flesh is perfectly reasonable. Unless of course, the "wahoo" part of Arrow Ladder is that the arrows could support someone's weight. In that case, yeah, it's a little out there - but the Hardness rule makes that neither harder nor easier to believe. [/QUOTE]

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