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<blockquote data-quote="Wulf Ratbane" data-source="post: 2278958" data-attributes="member: 94">I agree with all of the above. I suppose it bears repeating that I think Iron Lore will be great and it sounds like lots of fun.Exactly.You don't suppose that a character in Iron Lore will be able to do 6 points of damage with an unarmed strike (which would penetrate oak) or 9 points of damage (which would penetrate stone)? The hardness rule specifically does not prevent it from becoming wahoo because it is so easy to circumvent. Putting a restriction on a wahoo ability in order to explain how the ability might reasonably work, but failing to acknowledge that the restriction is almost no restriction at all, does not reign in the wahoo of the ability.And yes, supporting the weight is part of it. I have a hard time believing the chain of improbabilities that lead to this ability working: getting all the shots placed perfectly, while penetrating the hardness to a sufficient degree to bury the shaft into the surface so that it will support the weight of a grown man (or four) and not snap the shaft-- all in six seconds.I just don't like what it bodes for the style of Iron Lore, which is neither (a) what I was hoping for or (b) what it has been put forth as. That's it. That's the sum of my concern, folks. Again, Iron Lore sounds like a lot of fun. It just sounds closer to M&amp;M to me than (for example) Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay, and while I do enjoy playing both kinds of games, I was hoping more for WHFRP. Wulf</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Wulf Ratbane, post: 2278958, member: 94"] I agree with all of the above. I suppose it bears repeating that I think Iron Lore will be great and it sounds like lots of fun. Exactly. You don't suppose that a character in Iron Lore will be able to do 6 points of damage with an unarmed strike (which would penetrate oak) or 9 points of damage (which would penetrate stone)? The hardness rule specifically does [i]not[/i] prevent it from becoming wahoo because it is so easy to circumvent. Putting a restriction on a wahoo ability in order to explain how the ability [i]might[/i] reasonably work, but failing to acknowledge that the restriction is almost no restriction at all, does not reign in the wahoo of the ability. And yes, supporting the weight is part of it. I have a hard time believing the chain of improbabilities that lead to this ability working: getting all the shots placed perfectly, while penetrating the hardness to a sufficient degree to bury the shaft into the surface so that it will support the weight of a grown man (or four) and not snap the shaft-- all in six seconds. I just don't like what it bodes for the style of Iron Lore, which is neither (a) what I was hoping for or (b) what it has been put forth as. That's it. That's the sum of my concern, folks. Again, Iron Lore sounds like a lot of fun. It just sounds closer to M&M to me than (for example) Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay, and while I do enjoy playing both kinds of games, I was hoping more for WHFRP. Wulf [/QUOTE]

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