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<blockquote data-quote="Dr. Strangemonkey" data-source="post: 2281226" data-attributes="member: 6533">To my mind this seems about right in that I would assume GnG describes, among other things, a subset of heroic fantasy.&nbsp; At some point in heroic fantasy you're going to 'transcend' the Grimm part and be in a very different range of the Gritty.&nbsp; The world of the Illiad is GnG, but the gods never were and at some point Achilles is really only barely qualifying for the realm of the human and way too close to the realm of the gods.&nbsp; I think Homer does a good job of giving that reality a very GnG spin but it doesn't change the fact that Achilles wrestles with a river and is only saved by a god transforming himself into a sheet of flame.On the other hand I have serious doubt about whether or not even a twentieth level character should be Achilles.&nbsp; Ajax or Odysseus, sure, but Achilles and Hector have something weird and situational going on.I do hope you can be kept here.&nbsp; I think the GnG issue mostly comes from questions about the overlap of GnG with Heroic fantasy.&nbsp; That is how if F/GM are GnG but they are also Heroic Fantasy then how does one judge which you should be faithful to in creating a F/GM game?&nbsp; Your superior expertise and the fact that you've demonstrated a system for quantifying half of that problem in the past and articulated this problem here is a big part of that.&nbsp; I certainly don't think its the only thing you have to contribute or that you should be held to doing so only.&nbsp; And I'm grateful for the vast majority of both conversations thus far and happy there's a thread for the tangent.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dr. Strangemonkey, post: 2281226, member: 6533"] To my mind this seems about right in that I would assume GnG describes, among other things, a subset of heroic fantasy. At some point in heroic fantasy you're going to 'transcend' the Grimm part and be in a very different range of the Gritty. The world of the Illiad is GnG, but the gods never were and at some point Achilles is really only barely qualifying for the realm of the human and way too close to the realm of the gods. I think Homer does a good job of giving that reality a very GnG spin but it doesn't change the fact that Achilles wrestles with a river and is only saved by a god transforming himself into a sheet of flame. On the other hand I have serious doubt about whether or not even a twentieth level character should be Achilles. Ajax or Odysseus, sure, but Achilles and Hector have something weird and situational going on. I do hope you can be kept here. I think the GnG issue mostly comes from questions about the overlap of GnG with Heroic fantasy. That is how if F/GM are GnG but they are also Heroic Fantasy then how does one judge which you should be faithful to in creating a F/GM game? Your superior expertise and the fact that you've demonstrated a system for quantifying half of that problem in the past and articulated this problem here is a big part of that. I certainly don't think its the only thing you have to contribute or that you should be held to doing so only. And I'm grateful for the vast majority of both conversations thus far and happy there's a thread for the tangent. [/QUOTE]

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