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<blockquote data-quote="JohnSnow" data-source="post: 2281894" data-attributes="member: 32164"><p>Okay, a few comments on feats and feat mastery. By the way Irda Ranger, nice analysis above. I agree that Mearls' comment implies that only the basic feat is required before higher mastery can be taken and not ALL of the levels. But I think we need confirmation. </p><p></p><p>Taking Mearls most recent diary combined with a few of the other previews we've seen leads me to the following observations. First off, character classes seem to get Advanced Mastery of one category (+2 at level 1, +1/2 levels), partial mastery of a second (+1 at level 1 +1/2 levels), limited access to a third (+1 at level 3, +1/2 levels) and standard access to all others (+1 at level 5, +1/2 levels). Near as I can tell so far, the following are the "types" of feats I've been able to come up with:</p><p></p><p>Defense</p><p>Finesse (weapon subtype)</p><p>Lore</p><p>Power (weapon subtype)</p><p>Projectile (weapon subtype)</p><p>Tactics</p><p></p><p>Also, it seems characters get 1 feat at 1st level (The Archer & Hunter "samples" have only 1 feat a piece). The 6th level berzerker preview and a little logic would indicate they get 1 feat/2 levels (+ whatever they get as class bonuses). It's possible they gain their feats every odd level, and the berzerker gets 1 bonus feat, but I find it more likely that all characters gain 1 feat every even level (2, 4, 6, 8, etc.) which would give the berzerker 4 feats at 6th level (1st, 2nd, 4th, and 6th). The sample berzerker has taken level 3 mastery in Power Attack, plus the Quick Draw feat. It seems odd that characters can be eligible for level 2 mastery at 1st level and not have 2 feats...but on the other hand, their mastery level doesn't increase at 2nd level, so maybe it's so that characters with the appropriate mastery can take level 2 mastery as soon as they have the feat for it (2nd level), if they so choose.</p><p></p><p>Oh, and I'm not sure I disagree with Mearls that there aren't a lot of options for high-level fighters. There are lots of feats to pick from, sure, but not a lot of them that specifially target the "high level fighter" type. The D&D fighter basically ends up using a lot of his high-level feats to expand his breadth of options rather than actually increase his abilities. Greater Weapon Focus (and Specialization) and some of the archery feats are the sole exception. But even Great Cleave and Whirlwind Attack are available at 6th level if you pick carefully. Granted there may be some cool feats in other books (<em>Book of Iron Might</em> for example) that I don't know about. I admit the tactical feats from <em>Complete Warrior</em> and other sources do come to mind.</p><p></p><p>By the way are there any feat categories (for the list above) that we know about that I'm missing?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JohnSnow, post: 2281894, member: 32164"] Okay, a few comments on feats and feat mastery. By the way Irda Ranger, nice analysis above. I agree that Mearls' comment implies that only the basic feat is required before higher mastery can be taken and not ALL of the levels. But I think we need confirmation. Taking Mearls most recent diary combined with a few of the other previews we've seen leads me to the following observations. First off, character classes seem to get Advanced Mastery of one category (+2 at level 1, +1/2 levels), partial mastery of a second (+1 at level 1 +1/2 levels), limited access to a third (+1 at level 3, +1/2 levels) and standard access to all others (+1 at level 5, +1/2 levels). Near as I can tell so far, the following are the "types" of feats I've been able to come up with: Defense Finesse (weapon subtype) Lore Power (weapon subtype) Projectile (weapon subtype) Tactics Also, it seems characters get 1 feat at 1st level (The Archer & Hunter "samples" have only 1 feat a piece). The 6th level berzerker preview and a little logic would indicate they get 1 feat/2 levels (+ whatever they get as class bonuses). It's possible they gain their feats every odd level, and the berzerker gets 1 bonus feat, but I find it more likely that all characters gain 1 feat every even level (2, 4, 6, 8, etc.) which would give the berzerker 4 feats at 6th level (1st, 2nd, 4th, and 6th). The sample berzerker has taken level 3 mastery in Power Attack, plus the Quick Draw feat. It seems odd that characters can be eligible for level 2 mastery at 1st level and not have 2 feats...but on the other hand, their mastery level doesn't increase at 2nd level, so maybe it's so that characters with the appropriate mastery can take level 2 mastery as soon as they have the feat for it (2nd level), if they so choose. Oh, and I'm not sure I disagree with Mearls that there aren't a lot of options for high-level fighters. There are lots of feats to pick from, sure, but not a lot of them that specifially target the "high level fighter" type. The D&D fighter basically ends up using a lot of his high-level feats to expand his breadth of options rather than actually increase his abilities. Greater Weapon Focus (and Specialization) and some of the archery feats are the sole exception. But even Great Cleave and Whirlwind Attack are available at 6th level if you pick carefully. Granted there may be some cool feats in other books ([i]Book of Iron Might[/i] for example) that I don't know about. I admit the tactical feats from [i]Complete Warrior[/i] and other sources do come to mind. By the way are there any feat categories (for the list above) that we know about that I'm missing? [/QUOTE]
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