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<blockquote data-quote="JohnSnow" data-source="post: 2321469" data-attributes="member: 32164">Probably true. After all, the archer gets Finesse Mastery 8. And my immediate reaction was the same as I imagine yours was. In other words: &quot;WTF?!!? An extra 4d6 of damage that is uable ALL the time and stacks with sneak attack?!?&quot;But then I realized. This is a 17th level character with no flaming weapon, no frost weapon, no shocking burst weapon. Hell, he probably doesn't even have a KEEN short sword!! So he's not really doing much more damage than a D&amp;D 3e rogue with a holy (+2d6) shock (+1d6) flaming (+1d6) rapier. He just doesn't NEED the sword to do it! Moreover, as it's sneak attack damage, it probably won't affect things immune to critical hits, unlike the sword. So, even though it's usable against things that are immune to fire or electricity, and aren't evil, it's not really that big a deal.To some degree, I think we've become so conditioned to thinking of the character's &quot;power&quot; as not including his items that the IH paradigm (Heroic without items) is going to take some getting used to. But I think I LIKE it!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="JohnSnow, post: 2321469, member: 32164"] Probably true. After all, the archer gets Finesse Mastery 8. And my immediate reaction was the same as I imagine yours was. In other words: "WTF?!!? An extra 4d6 of damage that is uable ALL the time and stacks with sneak attack?!?" But then I realized. This is a 17th level character with no flaming weapon, no frost weapon, no shocking burst weapon. Hell, he probably doesn't even have a KEEN short sword!! So he's not really doing much more damage than a D&D 3e rogue with a holy (+2d6) shock (+1d6) flaming (+1d6) rapier. He just doesn't NEED the sword to do it! Moreover, as it's sneak attack damage, it probably won't affect things immune to critical hits, unlike the sword. So, even though it's usable against things that are immune to fire or electricity, and aren't evil, it's not really that big a deal. To some degree, I think we've become so conditioned to thinking of the character's "power" as not including his items that the IH paradigm (Heroic [i]without[/i] items) is going to take some getting used to. But I think I LIKE it! [/QUOTE]

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