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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Andor" data-source="post: 2211373" data-attributes="member: 1879">You need to make up your mind about if you dislike this because it is magic, or because it isn't. If tokens are 'magic' to you* then why does their ability to alter the world boggle your mind? So do spells at all levels from grease to entangle to blade barrier to prismatic wall.If tokens aren't magic then they aren't altering the world they are just reducing the granularity of it. A square isn't 25 sq ft of linoleum, it's 25 sq ft of uneven stone and bits of debris. That it might contain something to trip over is not amazing. For that matter it could be linoleum. If you watch the other guys foot work and side step when he's off line to track you you can make someone trip over their own feet. I've done it while fencing, I've had it done to me. Honestly, in the games you play, If you were in a tavern and you tried to grab a spoon off a table and throw it at someone would  your GM would stop and have a fit because he hadn't told you there was a spoon there? How dare you assume that just because you were standing next to a crowded dinner table there was silverware within reach? DnD, even in the most hack and slashy dungeon crawl, is still a game of consensual story telling. You do not tell the GM what his NPCs do, he does not dictate what your character does. Between these is a grey area. In DnD you cannot assume the convinient getaway cart is there, you have to ask your DM. In Amber you could in fact tell him it was there. Tokens are not a shift to amber, they are not even the plot contrivance points from a friend of mines old homebrew. They aren't even quite hero points. The ones we've seen are option points. And the mantra of 3ed is 'Options are good.' * And I don't think they are simply because they effect the game, so does a sword. If you want to call everything the players do, feel, or hit someone with a power put down DnD and go play Hero (A fine system btw)</blockquote>

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