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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Serpenteye" data-source="post: 490237" data-attributes="member: 1492">_____Creamsteak posted:Heh... what I hated most about being in the OA was the fact that I could never get a solid vote to attack you. I could have gone in alone, but the alliance always spent too much time politically analyzing an attack on you. It would have been REALLY nice had I done it on turn 3, when most of your power was locked up...I'm still coveting my huge attack plan against the union, I cut out the section of the map that we would be fighting over and blew it up to the size of the normal map, then put in little arrows and symbols to direct the attack... would have been fantastic if I caught you at the right time... dang political types! Then again, during turn 2 and 4+ any attack would have resulted in my forces getting put down... so my decision wasn't all that bad..._____________________Strangely, I wasn't really very afraid of you. You always seemed to be targetting Sollir as your primary enemy and your actions against the UO seemed to be almost coincidental. I remember that you posted something about moving your swanmay armies trough the rakers, Edena interpreted it as moving south of the rakers into territory held by the UO, your intention seemed to be to gather your armies against Riftkrag and not attack me at all. And then, when you sold the Grandwood and Celadon to me (greatly aiding my industrialization strategy) and we made peace, I saw my theories confirmed; you were not among my worst enemies. How silly of me.  ______William Ronalds posted:Creamsteak, I was more than willing to support your attack. Part of the problem was that I could never convince kaboom to make any strong military commitments. (If you, kaboom, and Zelda had moved against the Union in Turn 3, let's say that you three would have to argue over how much land to take. That and I think Sollir could have waited a while.) The headache I had in the IR was trying to get some of the OA members to be more agressive while I was fighting every turn.Serpenteye, good job on the country descriptions. By the way, how surprised were you when we dragged out the Oerth Alliance -- complete with a flag?_______________________At that point I actually feared Kaboom more than anyone else, exept Forrester <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes    :rolleyes:"  data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" />, he had a terrifying potential for growth and expansion and I thought he would use his excellent strategical position, vast PL and IR (32points gained for 30 invested, more than anyone else at that time), to overwhelm everyone else in the long term (that was before industrialization was limited by "year"). He didn't. I guess he found it more rewarding roleplaying from an equal position and not be the dominant faction. I really doubt Zelda would have attacked the Union at all if you wouldn't have controlled her faction at that time, it didn't seem like her playing-style. The OA? I had every reason to suspect that most of the good and neutral factions were allies even during t0, though that was only speculation. I pretty much knew during t1, though the full extent was still a mystery. I knew that William, Kaboom, Alyx, Gnomeworks and Dagger were closely allied, that was obvious. I was (in my recollection) less certain about Darkness, Uvenelei, Creamsteak, Black Omega and Zelda, though I assumed they were also very close. Turrosh Mak... I should have seen that coming, merely by analyzing the aborted 3rd IR (when Vecna attacked Toril), but I took his ambition for granted. Ironically, I am absolutely certain that his faction would have been far better off remaining allied to the Union and Melkor, his betrayal was a mistake and he gained nothing for it. He could, without risking much, have taken the southern Ulek states and Keoland, thereby connecting his western territories to the Pomarj while the Shade would have secured his northern flank and the Underdark alliance took the western Kevellond and Iuz attacked in the north, likely taking Furyondy. The rest of the OA would have been unable to reinforce the Kevellond in time. The Lortmils, geographically isolated, would have inflicted great losses on the attackers but would eventually have fallen as well. After that, unless the Torillians invaded, the victory of evil would have been pretty much unavoidable. Vecna, under Edena's control, would have spent his power against the OA without gaining much for it.  Then the victors would have turned against each others, probably starting with the Shade being divided like it was 1772, 1793 and 1795 <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> and Sollir being absorbed by Iuz. Vecna would likely have been next and then Anabstercorian, Iuz, Maudlin and Turrrosh Mak would likely have been in the worst positions. The UO and the Underdark Alliance would probably have conquered a vast amount of land during the war against good and would be stronger. The struggle would then have polarized between the UA and the UO and, though I think we would have won, I cannot really predict how everyone would have allied (too many variables). The betrayal of Turrosh Mak and the unfortunate diplomacy of Melkor with Iuz probably saved a lot of players from having their faction wiped out. A good thing, I suppose. "After all, it's all about having fun." <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Anyhow.. When the OA was revealed during the battle against Vecna you had been acting together for so long that it was not very surprising. The flag... spelljammers, dragons, oerth, stars, comets, eternity symbols, hearts. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> Nice.________Creamsteak posted:And serpenteyes work on countries is great, and interesting. I'm not so sure about where the contests are going, and since I don't have a game tomorrow: I'll try and update all of my threads. I didn't get online till 11 PM tonight, and I'll be unconscious very soon ._____________Thanks, Creamsteak and WR, <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />The contests... I'll write something for my contestant, I guess, though I don't know how much use my faction would have of the titles. Do they come with armies? moneys? artifacts? 'cause strictly politically they won't matter much after turn 2 has started.</blockquote>

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