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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dire Bare" data-source="post: 4522543" data-attributes="member: 18182">This is exactly what I'm talking about.  "Sainted" game?  Interesting choice of non-judgemental language there, heh.I'm actually on the fence between 3e/Pathfinder and 4e.  I've been playing 3e since its release in 2000 and have loved the game.  I love the evolution that Paizo's Pathfinder is taking that game in.  Most of my friends are still playing 3e.However, there is a lot I like about 4e too.  There are some elements of the system that I don't like or am not yet comfortable with, but overall I'm really digging the system.I'll probably end up playing 3e/Pathfinder when one of my buddies is the GM, and we'll play 4e when I'm the GM.  (Right now we are on gaming sabbatical due to busy lives)There are plenty of folks on these boards who have decided they don't like 4e, and have excellent and well thought out reasons why.  Psion's a great example.  While I don't agree with the way he views the shift in focus from 3e to 4e, he isn't negative or attacking when expressing his views and he's got a legitmate dislike of some aspects of the system.Heck, there are even plenty of folks who admittedly don't have a "rational" reason why they dislike 4e, they just prefer to stick with 3e (or sometimes an even earlier edition).  And they do this without the need to attack, get grumpy, or get unnecessarily defensive.  And that's cool.It's the relatively few folks who have a "4e disliker" persecution complex and try to play the victim while actually being quite negative towards the 4e game and those of us who like it that get under my skin.If you were to post, "I dislike 4e because, to me, it doesn't carry the same 'D&D feel' that 3e does for me."  I'd be cool with that.  I'd disagree, but I'd be okay with that simple disagreement.If you were to post, "I dislike 4e because it's just like WoW, or it's too anime, or tieflings are emogoth, or 4e really isn't a roleplaying game, or any of the multitude of other lame, ignorant, emotional, and spurious arguments on why 4e isn't just for you but sucks eggs . . . well, then I get annoyed with that crap.  Especially when I might respond that 4e isn't anime, its nothing like WoW, and of course its a roleplaying game . . . and you get defensive and cry about being "flamed" for not "simply" liking 4e . . . .(and by "you" I don't mean any one specific poster, but the more general "you" referring to a small group of vocal posters . . . and "you" know who "you" are . . .)</blockquote>

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