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Message: <blockquote data-quote="evilbob" data-source="post: 6068673" data-attributes="member: 9789">I necro'd myself just to reply to this thread.First, to the OP:  your question has been well-answered by waderockett.  Even a bump from Penny Arcade (worth pure gold in marketing dollars) won't ever make 13th Age bigger than Next, and they are cool with that.  I think waderockett said in a different forum:  all boats rise together.  If Next is popular, that will open the market to other new ideas as well.  (And, yes:  probably the vast majority of casual gamers have never heard of either.)Dragonblade:  I liked your summary a lot.  Personally, I find a lot of the mechanics to be something I'd call "4.5."  The classes, character sheet, power selection, leveling process - all of them are strongly reminiscent of 4.0.  A lot of monster actions/powers are as well.  It's not really fair to label 13th Age that way as a whole, though:  it really does a wonderful job of tying in a lot of the RP into the mechanics as well.  And they have a ton of ideas that you'll find in D&D Next (I'm sure they were independently created).  They are just good ideas for D&D in general.  This is a great way to put it:I have done exactly the same and plan to do exactly the same.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  13th Age's strongest selling point to me is the modularity of the best ideas, and its accessibility to D&D 4.0/5.0.Light Knight:  I agree that if you like heavy simulation, this isn't your thing.  It's even more abstracted than 4.0, and while I wouldn't say it was "more for roleplaying mechanics" similar to a game like Vampire might be, it's definitely headed in a direction away from what you liked.  Sadly, I don't know of any way to get your hands on any of the "crunch" other than pre-ordering, either.  But they say they'll be releasing their game under the OGL, with its own SRDs, so eventually this should be available.  I will say that you do get a lot from the book itself, though, including lots of the designers' notes about why something was done a certain way, and how you can change it if you don't like it.Personally, I'm really digging the game myself, and it's already changed how I will play D&D games going forward, so for me it was worth the pre-order.  I just wish there were more places online discussing the game.</blockquote>

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