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<blockquote data-quote="Iron Sky" data-source="post: 5089380" data-attributes="member: 60965">We used rolled stats in all editions prior to 4e and when we made our first characters for 4e.&nbsp; The rolled character's CB point-buy values range from 25 to 51(!) due to the vagaries of the dice.&nbsp; Most of us are around the 40-45 point range due to some amazing stat rolls.The biggest downside that I've noticed with this - aside from the dramatic difference in effectiveness between a 45 point and 25 point character - is that it puts the recommended encounter guidelines on shaky(-ier?) ground.&nbsp; For example, our DM threw a Level + 3 encounter for 5 players against 3 of our players last night(since 2 of us were busy and didn't get to the session until late) and the 3 of them breezed through it.Granted, since our point-buy group is only up to level 11 and the fore-mentioned characters are 18, I can't compare two groups of similar level.&nbsp; I don't think we should be regularly blowing through level+5/+6 encounters.&nbsp; While it's fun to rock foes that are supposedly way beyond us, it means the DM has an extremely hard time trying to challenge us or make us feel threatened in combat since the recommended guidelines are pretty much moot for us.So, long story short, yeah, I'm a fan of point-buy, as a DM AND as a player.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Iron Sky, post: 5089380, member: 60965"] We used rolled stats in all editions prior to 4e and when we made our first characters for 4e. The rolled character's CB point-buy values range from 25 to 51(!) due to the vagaries of the dice. Most of us are around the 40-45 point range due to some amazing stat rolls. The biggest downside that I've noticed with this - aside from the dramatic difference in effectiveness between a 45 point and 25 point character - is that it puts the recommended encounter guidelines on shaky(-ier?) ground. For example, our DM threw a Level + 3 encounter for 5 players against 3 of our players last night(since 2 of us were busy and didn't get to the session until late) and the 3 of them breezed through it. Granted, since our point-buy group is only up to level 11 and the fore-mentioned characters are 18, I can't compare two groups of similar level. I don't think we should be regularly blowing through level+5/+6 encounters. While it's fun to rock foes that are supposedly way beyond us, it means the DM has an extremely hard time trying to challenge us or make us feel threatened in combat since the recommended guidelines are pretty much moot for us. So, long story short, yeah, I'm a fan of point-buy, as a DM AND as a player. [/QUOTE]

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